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mircea_popescu: how could i forget.
asciilifeform: near as i can tell
a111: Logged on 2019-02-12 15:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i associate shitoverflow with articles like 'how do i cast 'fireball' in real life?' ( actual find )
mircea_popescu: im not saying it's strinctly impossible bonluck or ssongyank or w/e makes cars just as good as bayernische krankenwerken or whatever. it is a fact though, i never looked at it seriously before. chiefly because never had to.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, whai not. i never looked at it before, because i'm a loyal kind. but the way the germans are going... yes, of course eventually you lose me.
mircea_popescu: (i muchly doubt azn make'd have ever made it out on own power, at that.)
mircea_popescu: they are also indescribably fucking cute. but w/e, i have complex demands, we see.
asciilifeform: fwiw i suspect that machine of same vintage as mircea_popescu's , but with slightly higher road clearance, would work even better
mircea_popescu: this used to be the bane of the mercedesen i used in a diff life in romania.
mircea_popescu: never happened, i have yet nfi wtf it is shielded by, but volcanic rock seems to have nothing on it.
mircea_popescu: i do not believe any same-year made car during any of the years involved could have survived as a replacement. (i don't even take the newer / better ones for this sort of treck -- and tbh, i do not respect them NEARLY as much. i grew to love the cheap unassuming old car on the merits, which is to say what it'll take. like any woman.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-16 15:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have the converse problem. alternator dies on road, /me takes car back to (otherwise very competent, and very able) independent mechanic who charged 75 an hour for tools and labour to find what needs changing and then install mp's parts (75 CENTS!!!). "why the fuck was not this on the bill ?" "ah, it wasn't really broken yet, still hung on a thread".
asciilifeform: i'd expect on the spot, rather than mircea_popescu brought it in suitcase from argentina, lol
mircea_popescu: haha yes, you know i got it on the spot ? self-same groundskeeper, "but you know the car ?" "nope" "So you went with mechanic ?" "umm, no." "but... so you got scammed ?" "i guess we see"
mircea_popescu: i have no regrets.
mircea_popescu: i think in principle the "all tests failed" printout would be 10-20k itemized lines.
mircea_popescu: they check everyhing. (no joke, either, ticos are a serious folk). brakes, direction, i even get warnings that the front seat headrest is unattached (i keep it out deliberately, so as not to obstruct my front view)
asciilifeform: possibly i observed this before, but seems like mircea_popescustan is really gelandewagen terrain
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, 30% grades ; crazy winds ; drove it through sand and through a river bed i'm too lazy rto get the link of and and and
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 1 obv concrete diff, i run mine on asphalt..
asciilifeform: then again i suspect the plasti-tubs sold nao are shite across the board
mircea_popescu: i suspect we might want very different things from our cars.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 16:06 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, i expect sometime before 2022 ima switch to buying azn cars. what can you do, germans are morons now.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, that was quite a pleasant re-read lol. i even forgot about it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-28#1905645 << aand here i thought it was a lang artifact ( 'derecho' -- 'right', i.e. juris ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "go ye in county for contempt and you can get out when some other judge says so, cuz i ain't gonna."
mircea_popescu: i'd put the lawyer in jail, if i were stuck judging this thing.
mircea_popescu: this might be the most retarded case i read this year.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought 'possession is 9/10th of the law'(tm) lol
asciilifeform: ematician. But I always get the right answers, you see."'
asciilifeform: '"Yes, I know," said the little technician earnestly, "but I start by saying seven times three because that's the way it works. Now seven times three is twenty-one." "And how do you know that?" asked the congressman. "I just remember it. It's always twenty-one on the computer. I've checked it any number of times." "That doesn't mean it always will be, though, does it?" said the congressman. "Maybe not," stammered Aub. "I'm not a math
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, i don't get her cause of action, nudum pactum much ? she wants 700k pesos FOR WHAT ? "he wrote so" ain't no cause of auction, in both civil and common.
mircea_popescu: i don't even mean radicals, or fast calculations of things like 149 * 16 as "well, 24 minus a unit"
mircea_popescu: ok, but i mean... so it's a notation, what. i'd settle for any manner of teaching kids headarithmetic ; i've yet to meet any female of enslavement age who can actually do it.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, since it was mentioned : i don't see what's so scandalous with the "new arithmetic" whereby one explicits the powers rather than whatever historical approach.
asciilifeform: i.e. all electrically-permitted inputs map onto a permitted 2 .. n - 1 , and those who fit into the range to begin with, map directly ( others map via modular reduction )
asciilifeform: i can't think of any reason to constrict the witness pool any further than m-r per se constrains it
mircea_popescu: the only practically useful tidbit i have is "according to math arcana, witnesses absolutely must come from 1, 2^n rather than 2^n-1, 2^n ; notwithstanding the latter might look "thicker"
mircea_popescu is quite tickled that the ready reference of the issue is titled things with squares and morals and pornos. considering the context in which i needed it lo SIX years later...
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 14:39 mircea_popescu: atm i am unaware how one would answer this ; but if any brins are in the audience by all means, even an unsuccessful ~meaningful~ attempt at tackling this question of our times is liable to make new math.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that much is true, and yes, this 2nd link you unearth is also very likely (at least as far as i know) true : can't have at the same time what we discuss here and http://trilema.com/2013/squares-do-morals-a-porno/#selection-475.0-475.334 ; therefore i said http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-28#1905411 ☝︎
asciilifeform: ~this~ subthread i must leave to mircea_popescu ( i haven't with what to disagree )
asciilifeform: i.e. '"That dial hasn't moved yet, has it?" Edwardson asked, over the clamor of the Detector alarm bell. "Not a waffle." Cassel said reassuringly, looking at the dial with its indicator slamming back and forth against the stoppers either way.'
mircea_popescu: "of all the merchants there lie within this generation of 12 yo boys, 3/4 will die before being rich" "i intend to marry one of the rest. or three."
asciilifeform: i'd be lying if i said that i knew how to connect this to the orig puzzler.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 16:02 asciilifeform: oook even with tea i cannot digest it. mircea_popescu's gedankendevice requires http://trilema.com/2017/resplenduminous/ .
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine.
mircea_popescu: yes, but i happen to have whole blog documenting the daughter strategy, hence eg http://trilema.com/2009/chiar-nu-ma-agita-chestiunea/#selection-69.105-69.754
asciilifeform: i.e. 'stopped clock is right 1ce a day' but is still a broken clock, even if at that moment in day it is not distinguishable with naked eye from working
mircea_popescu: from "numbers on the interval 1, n have property p with probability 3/4"it does NOT follow that "these five numbers i picked contain 3.75 numbers wirth property p"
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 14:59 mircea_popescu: or in other words : "random" is not "jolly joker of do what i mean".
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 15:21 mircea_popescu: i'm willing to bet "entropy is improved" 50% of the time.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, i expect sometime before 2022 ima switch to buying azn cars. what can you do, germans are morons now. ☟︎
asciilifeform: suppose you have candidate p , generated with what you consider to be a working (i.e. uniform) rng , with no interference from devils.
asciilifeform: oook even with tea i cannot digest it. mircea_popescu's gedankendevice requires http://trilema.com/2017/resplenduminous/ . ☟︎
asciilifeform: i confess the orig. supposition still dun compute in my head, where yes 3/4 of number line proves compositivity , but somehow a device which even approximates uniform random, manages to avoid'em in 32+ shots.
mircea_popescu: i'm willing to bet "entropy is improved" 50% of the time. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, they're not equally distributed. here's what i propose : take a rng run, ent ; then take out all carmichael numbers from it, run ent. then see if you can tell which is which.
asciilifeform: fwiw however i cannot presently think of any rng test, even the dumbest ones in the 'dieharder' collection, that wouldn't barf at a rng which avoids 3/4 (or any similar proportion) chunk of the integer number line
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i'd say you found the first meaningful patch to be put on the fg tree.
asciilifeform: would be mighty great use case for hypothetical 'ffa cpu' (i.e. arithmetizer with wide bus)
mircea_popescu: but yes, the relation you unearth is sound. the problem or set thereof i started discussing is exactly homomorphic to "well, we have no proper rng tests, "ou'll have to take the girl by the nose, count, and break out the abacuses.")
asciilifeform: so is the idea 'you cannot know whether yer rng actually worx?' cuz then i must agree
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, and this SHOULD STAY THAT WAY, is one thing i'm saying. for the above reasoning.
mircea_popescu: and i do mean ANYTHING.
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, the argument resolves to 'random dun exist, if beelzebub feels like it he will feed you 32 liars'
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 15:05 mircea_popescu: i do not dispute that the exercise is not worth doing, unless one has a girl nose fetish. nevertheless, worth doing is a different consideration from true.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i dun see how works either! but what i'm saying is that you don't have ~proof~ it doesn't!
asciilifeform: i must confess that i dun see how works.
asciilifeform: i can't see any path to 'magically fails 32 shots despite working uniform rng' without rejecting the 3/4
mircea_popescu: i do buy it, but it is ~statistical~, and it applies for 1, n and NOT for n, n+k
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the problem's not necessarily stated as you state it. i am not capable to know in advance WHAT attack will have to be faced.
mircea_popescu: i do not dispute that the exercise is not worth doing, unless one has a girl nose fetish. nevertheless, worth doing is a different consideration from true. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: there, again there is not a mathematical proof to permit you to say -- if i say "the largest contiguous set of consecutive liars before number n will contain k such liars where k = n divided by alf's gf's nosehair count" there's no formulaic approach you can fall back on. you'll have to take the girl by the nose, count, and break out the abacuses.
mircea_popescu: or in other words : "random" is not "jolly joker of do what i mean". ☟︎
asciilifeform: the m-r proof is unambiguous re the number line thing. i.e. the p of n ~actually random~ witnesses all lying, is bounded.
mircea_popescu: this is not what i'd call "crackpottery". for all you know there IS a manner to construct "~always lied about by random witnesses" prime candidates.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, as to your earlier question : not such a large degree of crackpottery needed. consider that if i affirm today that a) given a list of however many ~randomly chosen~ witnesses from (1,n) b) the number k = x^2 + q x + p is going to be falsely identified as a prime number while n = q ^ 2 + p ^ 3, there is c) nothing you can practically do to give me the lie other than ~actually construct such numbers and check~.
asciilifeform: to the point that i'm at a loss to construct a crackpot hypothesis for the negative ( what would the loch ness monster here look like ? erry composite n, we know has 3+ / 4 of integers as proper witnesses. so where wouldja hide'em so that working rng doesn't find 1 in 32 shots before asteroid hits machine ? )
mircea_popescu: right. we're well persuaded, and i daresay well persuasive.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i don't disagree a is the correct way ; but i am pointing out we do not actually have math to point to here. for all we, properly speaking, know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686299 eminently applies. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: it is factually true that the liar occurence in (1, n) is ~1/3 ; i don't know how to evaluate the occurence in (n, n+k). it could be 1/3^2 or 1/3 ^ k or 1/3 ^ 1/k^16 or whatever the fuck else.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm quite curious to hear how could be weaker ( to any degree of crackpottery at all )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, possibly a is actually significantly weaker than b. i dunno, intuitively i'd readily agree with you, but the fact is ~we don't know~.
asciilifeform: when we 1st had m-r thread, i also considered a hybrid algo, where you take e.g. 32 rng witnesses, and 32 that are kept in bottle and known only to you , for 64-shot test that is slightly moar immune to rng failure. but then thought 'rng is jesus bolt, if fails, yer candidate is also fucked' so couldn't think of why to do such a thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly i'm thick, but what does b win ? seems like any hardcoded list, if becomes known to enemy, opens you up to theoretical 'bake a n for which the witnesses are liars' item
mircea_popescu: atm i am unaware how one would answer this ; but if any brins are in the audience by all means, even an unsuccessful ~meaningful~ attempt at tackling this question of our times is liable to make new math. ☟︎
diana_coman: I had it in my stash from writing eucrypt time so it rang a bell instantly
asciilifeform: possib that this was done in recent yrs, i missed.
asciilifeform: if it is, i missed
mircea_popescu: no, i mean, air tank to run diesel engine off of.
mircea_popescu: i don't think it's dead though, answers to eg !!key. mayhap something i'm fucking up syntax-wise.
asciilifeform: i.e. what actual hamster could turn out in his wheel..
asciilifeform: i have the latter, but it's kept in cold reserve, rather than auto
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with keeping a spare sat or radio connection. or both i guess
asciilifeform does not have diesel, thought about it but ~0 point, given that upstream fiber people seem to only have ~2hr of battery, so went 'i'ma also 2h..'
mircea_popescu: trinque, as it happens i was gonna do a buncha small payments, but deedb ot not answering to !!withdraw ?
asciilifeform: trinque: i thought you had diesel
asciilifeform: brits also had, but i dun recall what was called
mircea_popescu: i expect more like 3-4-500 in wheel, use bodyweight