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mircea_popescu: so now that problem is solved ; go do something else, there shall be no more of this.
mircea_popescu: this is me opting out. now go read thefucking logs ; copy BY HAND on a notebook what you did wrong, in fucking gothic longhand, a dozen times, and get it in your thick skull.
mircea_popescu: and it's not the first time ; it's the fucking third. every time she tried to get some sort of support from you, you acted the retarded usarmy desk flier, cost her 10x the time it'd have taken if she were camping in the desert.
mircea_popescu: this isn't work, what you're doing. this is anti-work.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 15:11 asciilifeform: and in general i dun expect any of it to be paid for, there is no tradition of any such thing. but i do have the possibly naive expectation of the work not to be shat on.
asciilifeform dun have an answer, other than http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746586 . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-14 15:51 asciilifeform: phf: given example works with my vtron, oughta equally work with mod6's. and does the job (both from vtronic genealogy pov, and gnumake's -- the latter (see the makefile of my faux 'eucrypt') recurses updir ) the 1 down-side is aesthetics.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751463 << it does exactly one fucking job. this one : diana_coman please don't talk to asciilifeform or take any further advice from him. total timewaste. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: mpi is a SUB. and if it can't act the sub part it's getting cut out with hot irons and the ground where it stood salted.
ben_vulpes: none, cab should be threaded :D
a111: Logged on 2017-12-14 15:39 asciilifeform: i.e. why can't 'eucrypt' be a ~sibling~ dir to 'mpi'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751448 << because it's not a fucking sibling to fucking mpi ☝︎
BingoBoingo will have to add that to hosting menu. How many nuts per RU?
mircea_popescu: there is that.
ben_vulpes: always entertaining to watch "just wanted"s rack their nuts on the handrail of reality
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 16:52 mircea_popescu: so then why can't she simply move the mpi/ dir into eucrypt/mpi/ and proceed ?
mircea_popescu: the correct time to not understand it was LAST fuycking week, when http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748152 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-14 15:38 asciilifeform: the 1 thing i still don't fully understand is why diana_coman's subdir gotta move
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751446 << VERY late in the game to "not understand" this. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: that's also why poor people, stupid people (but i repeat myself) and socialists, "democrats", pantsuits etc are so fucking unfunny. too hope-y, or rather, their intellects are too dysfunctional to handle contradiction, of whatever kind.
mircea_popescu: (humor necessarily feeds of contradiction of expectations ; hope is always and no matter how disguised continuation of expectation. the contradiction between the two is absolute and a matter of definition.)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-14 13:49 shinohai: But the concept of a UBI is hilarious period.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751431 << nah. there's a straight relationship between humour and hope : anything thats hopeable is not humorous and vice-versa. ☝︎
BingoBoingo first 3 days heard it as "Bom dia" though they adopted portuguese greeting from Brasil.
ben_vulpes: mike_c, the republic's mole in IAC
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Well, maybe it's part of mircea_popescu's vast conspiracy to push people into more crowded spaces?
ben_vulpes: which is kind of impressive because bumble was already a shitty tinder, providing a cover for short-term coy behavior in online dating.
ben_vulpes: they show up on the sender's "profile" instead
ben_vulpes: apparently mike_c's new gig has now banned messages to girls from users they haven't "liked" yet
asciilifeform: try 'hackrf' or 1 of the other inexpensive 0-2Ghz or whatever, 'swiss army knives'
ben_vulpes bbl, teaching human 101, will return later
asciilifeform: ( and the supposed converter boxes, dun work worth a shit. ) but iirc i already mentioned this.
asciilifeform: ( connection left as exercise for the reader. )
asciilifeform: vga card + pirate hf amp -- transmit.
ben_vulpes: yeah, this i know.
asciilifeform: rtldongle dun transmit.
asciilifeform: it also doesn't transmit. if you wanna transmit, you need an actual sdr, e.g. 'hackrf' , 'gnuradio', or something made with own hands.
asciilifeform: it's good for what comes from before your horizon, and that's it.
asciilifeform: possibly i can guess what ben_vulpes wanted... answr is, there is 0 ionospheric propagation at any of the spectrum the cheapo rtl dongle is able to pick up.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-14 05:14 ben_vulpes: concretely, trying to figure out what it would take to prototype a tuneable phase locked loop channel
a111: Logged on 2017-12-14 05:08 ben_vulpes: canvassing the low bandwidth radio space
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751421 << ben_vulpes wtf is 'low bandwidth radio space' ??! how does this differ from 'low thickness physical space' ? how do i parse yer sentence ? ☝︎
phf: err, yes, i was going to say slackware, but they are sloppier than bsd
phf: it is to some extent a bsd model (that slackless os also follows it), where you have baseline system, where the source is owned by a cabal of maintainers/developers
asciilifeform: all binaries on the box must trace their descent to contents of /v/...
asciilifeform: common root lets you vdiffate whatever change you made to anything, even if it takes in > 1 subsystem.
asciilifeform: this also makes the vtronic-linux a moar tenable, imho, proposition.
asciilifeform: also oughta satisfy mircea_popescu's 'there was 1 genesis' item. because under phf's unification, there in fact ~was~ , created an empty universe with a 'bitcoin' dir.
asciilifeform: it very much seems to me, to be The Right Thing.
asciilifeform: i like phf's unification idea. even if it means that at some point i gotta regrind fg-genesis.
phf: well, then we're on the same page
asciilifeform: phf: how inside ? they're sibling dirs
phf: but yeah in that model your press is / and you have /mpi and /eucrypt, so if you want to link against /mpi you do ../mpi/... in your makefile
phf: actually, i think fg is the only exception
asciilifeform: iirc all of the v-releases, to date, are already dir-siblings in phf's hypothetical tmsr-rootdir.
asciilifeform: take for instance trb , as seen in http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis/file
asciilifeform: i happen to see the entire unix directory scheme as idiocy
phf: rs~ might a little bit more meaning out of the press namespace. one pill to satisfy later group of people would be to come up with a filesystem hierarchy standard, i.e. you always press at the same root, but you're pressing into a tmsr namespace. so it'll be /bin/bitcoin/... /lib/mpi/... ☟︎
phf: well, the nature of v is that you're pressing into a global namespace. in fact that was a property of the original idea to a great extent (hence mp and his insistence on there being only one genesis). we compromised that already by having multiple projects, but you still run into the same issue when you're trying to combine multiple projects together. you're basically saying that the press namespace doesn't matter as long as there's no collision. ~othe
asciilifeform: ( both demonstrated in the example. )
asciilifeform: the vdiffing worx exactly correctly, as does the linkage, without this.
asciilifeform: though i'll admit that i personally dun get the fixation with moving mpi to being a subdir of $newproj.
asciilifeform: phf: sad indeed, and afaik unfixable without sending gnupatch/gnudiff to where they belong -- into the oven.
asciilifeform: i'ma leave it for diana_coman , mod6 , phf , mircea_popescu , et al, to consider which pill is less barfatronic, and possibly conceive of another.
phf: i didn't necessarily need the illustration, because i understood what you were saying, my point was merely that it's sad state of things
asciilifeform: eh nm no 3rd. can't think of one.
mod6: sure, thanks for posting the sample for diana_coman
asciilifeform: you dun actually need to press it, unless specifically want to.
asciilifeform: at any rate it oughta be obvious what the illustration does simply from naked eye reading.
asciilifeform: or can sign it with the mahmood khadir key, or 1 of the others we broke, lol
mod6: I understand that sentiment. We discussed this at length. Which is why I actually have a test-vpatch pgp key for that purpose only.
asciilifeform: mod6: i dun like to uncase the launch codes 10,000,000 times per day every time test press. but others are moar than welcome to.
asciilifeform: mod6: if you dun have a testmode, you gotta sign it yerself to run it, what can i say
asciilifeform: imho the item i posted just nao, illustrates the cleaner method. but it has down-side in that one has to give up on 'i get to decide exactly what the unix dir structure will look like, notwithstanding the fact that gnumake was dropped as a baby and has nfi what file moving is'
mod6: your example will not work with my vtron, for one simple reason: the new rules state that we do not do ANYTHING with vpatches that do not have a corresponding signature - we IGNORE WILD vpatches and drop them on the floor.
asciilifeform: if phf , or anyone else, can think of a 3rd ( that is, one that actually preserves the v-genealogy , rather than idiot-cut-and-pastism ) i'm all ears.
asciilifeform: now let's come back to my much earlier pill, which i suggested in the mircea_popescu thread. which is imho even uglier. in that one, diana_coman would have to introduce the three mpi-ism vpatches comprising her working set, as ~files~ into eucrypt. and a sed script, and a vtron invocation, into her eucrypt makefile.
asciilifeform: phf: given example works with my vtron, oughta equally work with mod6's. and does the job (both from vtronic genealogy pov, and gnumake's -- the latter (see the makefile of my faux 'eucrypt') recurses updir ) the 1 down-side is aesthetics. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it's not eucrypt, of course, but the helloworld i originally included in mpi . but shows what i meant above.
phf: if she decides to replace bignum backing, presumably mpi will get nuked and replaced with something else
phf: well, the project is called eucrypt, presses into eucrypt directory, inside it has support infrastructure like mpi
phf: presumably she doesn't want to compromise the resultant press because of poor tooling
asciilifeform: i.e. why can't 'eucrypt' be a ~sibling~ dir to 'mpi' ☟︎
asciilifeform: it isn't required for the linker, nor for maintaining v-lineage ( the latter works just as well if diana_coman were to simply add a comment to 1 or more items in mpi dir , that 'this is nao part of eucrypt' )
asciilifeform: the 1 thing i still don't fully understand is why diana_coman's subdir gotta move ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: this is the basic insanity of gnupatch. a proper vpatch ought to see that the hashes are the same incoming and outgoing , and Do The Right Thing without the idiot spew
phf: diana_coman: it's not going to be pretty. it'll be twice the amount of text: once to delete the old file with - - - - and once to create a new file with + + + +
diana_coman: k, thanks
diana_coman: mind telling me how you see it done? it's hopefully faster than debugging a wrong approach; once I have it working I'll write up the failure too if that's the thing
diana_coman: asciilifeform, it does the move BUT it requires post-cleaning (i.e. leaves some stuff behind) + works only with mod6's v; so something is wrong somewhere and hopefully it's just on my side i.e. I can correct it quickly following your explanation of how it should be done
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i gotta ask , what did this 'to some extent' look like.
diana_coman: fwiw I managed to do this to some extent, but I don't like this "to some extent"
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I need to create a vpatch that performs the change of dir structure from a/mpi to b/eucrypt/mpi where the contents of the mpi folder in both cases are identical; or more specifically for the task at hand: I want to create a vpatch that has as antecedent my previous sane_mpi_eucrypt.vpatch (whose output is an mpi folder with all sorts) and results in eucrypt/mpi where this new mpi folder has precisely same contents
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell diana_coman plox to describe, very very specifically, what you need done. then i'll show how.
BingoBoingo: But it would piss of walmart customers: "Whaddya mean the help is taking home more money because they work AND get muh welfares!
shinohai: But the concept of a UBI is hilarious period. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: And they stick
shinohai: Is this UBI thing a meme now? http://archive.is/q3fXn
ben_vulpes: concretely, trying to figure out what it would take to prototype a tuneable phase locked loop channel ☟︎