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mircea_popescu: MAYBE YOU ARE NOT TRYING HARD ENOUGH!
mircea_popescu: consider the problem of mechanics in 1900. physics "complete science" and why can't you 1900 alf explain the mercury precession ?
asciilifeform: it's a surrender. quite analogous to soldier surrendering.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a third dubious point.
mircea_popescu: doctor is allowed to assign miraculous cause ; and the curtailing of that allowance exactly mirrors the technicalization (ie, de-liberalization) of medicine.
asciilifeform: 'allah farted' is not a possibility that merits considering while having the activity still called 'thinking' and the folx engaging therein, 'thinkers'
mircea_popescu: mind that police detective is not liberal profession. this is SPECIFICALLY what it means : that not at liberty to consider all possibilities. that's what makes a technical profession.
asciilifeform: same applies here. thinking people may not retreat to 'allah farted and therefore.
asciilifeform: recall the 'police detective may not entertain hypothesis of miraculous disappearance when confronted with empty safe' ?
mircea_popescu: why did you fart when you farted as opposed to at any other time ?
asciilifeform: or entirely none of these ?
asciilifeform: or to 'not stuck at all'
asciilifeform: so i take it mircea_popescu leans to 'physics stuck in a ditch post-ww2 and after that inevitably ceremonial and staffed by priests' ?
mircea_popescu: much simpler than that : if your rng is broken someone somewhere will exploit it.
mircea_popescu: and so ipse, not because government grants therefore flatten forests printing drivel.
asciilifeform: that'd be ye olde 'devil finds work for idle hands' theory
mircea_popescu: not "because charlie manson, therefore here's a list of dozen+ teenagers who fucked on the first day" but quite vice-versa : "because oodlebunches of such teenagers, therefore here's weirdo cult nonsense".
mircea_popescu: where there's teenaged runaways, a charlie manson will be found
asciilifeform: i'm not equipped to map this item onto the other
mircea_popescu: is the jewish young female sluttery the problem, or merely the pimp's ready marketing of it ?
asciilifeform: the problem is not that folx suffer insanities, but the packaging for sale.
mircea_popescu: well, for many different reasons, but let's set on the very convenient tu quoque approach. you yourself think all sorts of insanities about what you can and can not do, which vary according to mood. it's no different for anyone else.
asciilifeform: nor a pressing need to flatten forests printing drivel.
asciilifeform: actual thinking folx dun have 'existential angst'.
mircea_popescu: they still feel that way with or without "i fucking love science" marketing depts.
mircea_popescu: but it's absolutely and eminently NOT the case that smart people were doing smart people things and some bureaucrats came in su style and "henceforth you shall publish or perish". it was rather the case that some smart people sat around doing existential anguish, and some bureaucrats came by, packaged it as "publish or perish" and then proceeded to sell it to them (in exchange of an island of manhattan worth of "scientific" s
asciilifeform: but yes, pretty clear that 'felt they had to', not martian hypnosis did it, no.
mircea_popescu: whether it's for credit or for free makes little practical difference. the problem's in the brain not in the statute.
mircea_popescu: they went in for the bologna BECAUSE they felt they DO have to.
mircea_popescu: this is irrelevant. whenever the state manages to enforce some idiocy, it's not the case the state enforced it, it's the case it followed a fashion!
asciilifeform: milkmaid gotta eat. nobody's forced to pediwikiate.
mircea_popescu: cuz relative size problem, they perceive themselves as small.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do milkmaids sell their milk for 10cents a galon to walmart to be sold to consumer for a buck a bottle ?
asciilifeform: q is, why maths folx sit and edit pediwikia, which gives them nothing in return, censors/'curates' the work, and leverages it to spray respectability perfume on their politclaptrap ?
mircea_popescu: speaking of all this geometry, did they find the 4d smooth sphere ?
mircea_popescu: math following it rapidly into the hole.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'software' ain't a thing
mircea_popescu: as opposed to what exactly, the experts sex change source of all software ?
asciilifeform: esthlos: does it ever bother you that your primary maths link-reference is a spamola farm ?
esthlos: mircea_popescu: more like infinite solutions, so choosing any single solution is arbitrary. just like the feynman path integral. its thttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_series_theoremhis problem in a larger context:
esthlos: mircea_popescu: its almost a joke of the universe that 4d manifolds are almost impossible to classify https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_manifolds#Dimension_4:_exotic
mircea_popescu: "The Chern–Simons theory, named after Shiing-Shen Chern and James Harris Simons, is a 3-dimensional topological quantum field theory of Schwarz type, developed by Edward Witten." << wikipedia fucking delivers.
esthlos: mircea_popescu: as to quantum computers, I don't know a whole lot about quantum, but i believe that an information-theoretic approach to spacetime is the best bet to quantize it
mircea_popescu: what's this mean, "only works in 3d"
esthlos: my thesis is about a rigorous approach...which only works in 3D... sigh
asciilifeform: esthlos: i tuned out when 'serious' people started talking about 'testability and parsimony aren't mandatory'
mircea_popescu: "i guess they just DON'T LIKE HEROES AROUND HERE!11"
esthlos: the quantum path integral is a farce, even dirac said we need to start over
phf: asciilifeform: i've been trying to build "mpv", a video player that notoriously relies on a lot of shit packages. i've actually tried homebrew over netbsd's ports, because later fails to build mpv that actually works on mac. now so does homebrew. i'll try macports, but i doubt it'll deliver
mircea_popescu: anyone recall that great scene where tom green "Saves the day" at the maternity ward ?
esthlos: quantm field theory is a mess, everyone just wants to be the next einstein, no one cares about understanding what is going on
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 01:25 phf: meanwhile, homebrew, the mac os x package manager, finally pulled the final bate and switch. "build from source" option is now marked as "unsupported" (!!!) in the man pages, everything's being pulled using precompiled archives. building a non-trivial set of packages from source fails along the way with clearly misconfigured formulas. this is possibly of interest only to ben_vulpes (?)
mircea_popescu: but let me point out a cheval that various investigations in the nature of the number cca 1700s were equally ill regarded.
asciilifeform: for the lack of any contact with 'expert perceptions of time', i'll leave this item where it is
asciilifeform: nuffinelse, that was whole item
mircea_popescu: then again, the notion that a perception of time might not be naive is a pretty tough argument in the first place.
mircea_popescu: naive perception thereof, i guess. anyway.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phf's summary is entirely troo, naggum's item was about time ~units~, zones, seasons. rather than physical concept.
mircea_popescu: esthlos jesus christ could your items not be pdfs for the love of things not sucking.
sofiababy: its a trick maybe
mircea_popescu: i mean sure it gets to computer implementations halfway through...
mircea_popescu: phf wut are you talking aboot ?
cazalla: one burmese bitch even starting complaining she couldn't do as many men as some of the other girls
cazalla: in other news, what is with hookers talking about their fkn kids
mircea_popescu: "The Long, Painful History of Time" ?
phf: mircea_popescu: that one is a purely technical paper on details of code implementation for calculations with civil time
mircea_popescu: if it's not made from fruit, it'd better be 99%'d and then diluted back down.
asciilifeform finds himself in agreement with phf , ~all reasonably-clean distillates taste ~same to him
phf: cazalla: nod, i in fact befriended a guy who has the largest whisky collection on the east coast (an old texan drunk), and despite sampling a large variety, i'm just going to stick to bottom shelf
mircea_popescu: esthlos so what's your take on the imminent quantum computer in a thousand words or less ? :D
esthlos: mircea_popescu: but not what the field theorists do. they can go to hell
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have an entire collection of these somewhere
a111: Logged on 2014-06-04 00:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
esthlos: mircea_popescu: I haven't see that of naggum's
asciilifeform: ( where did we put the old one.. )
mircea_popescu: something more in the vein of delighted relief.
mircea_popescu: maybe fondly wasn't the exactly right word.
asciilifeform: and if you merely long for the days of 8 hour compiles -- will luvv large fpga wurk.
mircea_popescu: esthlos i take it you read naggum's overfinnicky in parts, overloose in other parts time essay ?
cazalla: phf, 26yr excellence was nice, but maybe i built it up in my mind to be something other given its cost, i'd be just as happy to drink the 18 or 15 tbh, not that i drink much at all these days anyway
mircea_popescu recalls somewhat fondly old days of "put the model in and wait a few hours for to find out how you fucked it up this time" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in other esthlos-powered insta-lulz, "I wish to God these calculations were executed by steam..."
phf: cazalla: what'd you think of 46yr glenfiddih compared to their 12yr etc. stuff? i've had a variety of vintages, and i can't for the love of me feel ~that~ much difference. meanwhile a difference between a 10 and 40 year port is very tangible
asciilifeform: holy FUQ the gigatonne of 3-syllable-per-line liquishit in this log
sofiababy: u have to use paypal i guess
sofiababy: they dont do they
sofiababy: im not sure how much twitch take
cazalla: sofiababy, no, stopped watching twitch after it was inundated with gamer girl camwhores, but i read they do well sparking up league of legends, chatting to virgins and getting them to donate to their patreon ☟︎
esthlos: mircea_popescu: my thesis is probably the most interesting.
sofiababy: In your task bar, right click on the Kleopatra icon, go to ‘Clipboard’, then click ‘Certificate Import’
esthlos: mircea_popescu: i apologise for disappearing. I was in meatspace this weekend
sofiababy: yeai did i used to play ps4
cazalla: try twitch?
sofiababy: i was jus saying u need to update it
sofiababy: im not that stupid
sofiababy: it used to say certficate
sofiababy: the instructions on how to create a key
sofiababy: this thing
cazalla: i bought a bottle of that reserva, was nice, i still prefer bundy rum (although the one i like can't be bought now) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i regularily buy the 30yo rum