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mircea_popescu: (tbh, good programs and "results oriented" bs are rather orthogonal if not opposed concerns)
mircea_popescu: you're not taking some of the salt out of the soup, some of the heat out of the steak or anything from anything else.
mircea_popescu: also, no cooking mistake is EVER reversible. cooking is the paragon of irreversible process with a thermodynamics-supplied seal of certitude.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not ? if it fails to learn i just buy another computer.
mircea_popescu: hey, put koi to whatever equivalency in there while at it phf
mircea_popescu: diana_coman certainly not a cake. but it also has this passive "don't touch the instruments" educative value. womenz particularly vulnerable to this crap.
mircea_popescu: dude i have nfi, you keep saying this, then phfg comes on it turns out we do, then you say it again
mircea_popescu: yes, it's broken, NOTICE it's broken, eat the scrambled egg, try again.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but to the more general point, Framedragger : the master's job is mostly to encourage and support the young woman TO ACTUALLY MAKE CHOICES. which is to say, exactly to distance herself from learned helplessness of the nature of diana_coman 's above mentioned " don't change anything or it might all fall down"
mircea_popescu: Framedragger no "peculiar" external info. obviously we're not dealing in spherical chickens here, so.. the sun lights all heads.
mircea_popescu: well... at least at first. that doesn't go so well so throws fit internally.
mircea_popescu: once you can make 'em it's darn obvious, and before it's impossibru and "vague" and throws fit
☟︎ mircea_popescu: no dude, correctly made pastry is this self-obvious thing.
mircea_popescu: but while i don't for a second suspect you of gender politics, nevertheless, there you go, you did it to them. what now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's fine, computer will outlast the millenium.
mircea_popescu: once they mixed the genders they fucked it all up. THAT is why "stundent quality is on downspiral"
mircea_popescu: diana_coman likely, which is the irony here. you can either have schooling for boys, or for girls.
mircea_popescu: and THEN you will be able to bake, correctly, pastry you never even learned HOW to bake
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i chose it specifically because it can not be "conceptually" learned.
mircea_popescu: in this sense no item is ever contained, including anything made by texas instruments.
mircea_popescu: computers, unlike people, have the advantage that no subjective "reasons" to blind self to it (~= menstruation)
mircea_popescu: she fucking had it from the get-go. this is inescapable.
mircea_popescu: here's the problemn with this : at first, girl "just doesn'tr have" information on how to bake pastries. then she gets beaten (rarely), corrected (often, but in specific punctual detail) and made to work. then, magically, and i can't underscore this enough, MAGICALLY, she now HAS!!! the information.
mircea_popescu: (i dunno how much you know / care about early industrialization - but it was ~all women)
mircea_popescu: otherwise, i can't imagine who'd ever have wanted men for any purpose.
mircea_popescu: which is how men ended up in the workforce in the first place
mircea_popescu: diana_coman and the answer is obvious : something else dun menstruate.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i have yet to see him talk other than by himself in a room. were you hear for the discussion of brin the elder ?
mircea_popescu: if it's a fucking tool why the fuck are youtrying to build a 3mn loc item in it!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman more importantly : they are tools, programmed as tools, expected to deliver untool likethings.
mircea_popescu: anyway. currently computers seem to me a sort of AB - alpha.
mircea_popescu: and yes, the google "ai" rule based bs is giving a bad name to all this, but abstracting the usg.idiots for a second, before we throw out the bath
mircea_popescu: now, it is real easy to grant that "machine can't resolve because irl it takes more neurons than there's atoms in the cpu". but this is a total cop-out, i can string together an infinity of computers, as bitcoin has shown.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: as in the joke with the romanian police and the bear, "give me this djinn for a week"
mircea_popescu: ask me "with what", get to see my samuel l jackson face
mircea_popescu: (ftr, this school of "Slave should be tool - simple as possible" exists, and its product is outrageous and ridiculous by turns. they do think themselves "the real" bdsm people though, against the method-acting larger set (hint : if the word "scene" is mentioned - method actors))
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my slavegirls aren't tools, they're people. why should my computers be tools ? i've only two hands.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "can't possibly mean" is totally a thing.
mircea_popescu: as proven by the fact that the girls in question start acting like one even if not specifically trained to be one.
mircea_popescu: because the major trick here is - what i say isn't ACTUALLY ambiguous. it just requires very fine interpretation, which meshes well with a machine. in any case meshes well with the epistemic process that makes people engineers,
mircea_popescu: which is why i'm saying, there's not much actionable here. but just because i dunno what to do with it doesn't mean i don't get drunk and dream.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger it's clear to me that in present computing paradigm it is outright impossible.
mircea_popescu: and no, this isn't cheap "do what i mean"-ism. when i say "the flower is blue and round is the sky", the notion that the flower is ROUND is invalidated not by what I mean, but by what everything means.
mircea_popescu: and i don't think it is ever acceptable for machine to make shitty rsa keys "because that's what i told it to".
mircea_popescu: it's shocking how little the school system does to teach anyone anything. but anyway - what the program MEANS should be decided on the basis of what it can't possibly fucking mean,
☟︎ mircea_popescu: when i teach my not-so-new-anymore slavegirls how to think, a large chunk consists of "interpreting what is said" which all revolves around "build tree of all possible meanings, prune all meanings contradicted".
mircea_popescu: that's kind-of a different level though. what does it even mean "to fail".
mircea_popescu: if a software project did as much importing as the average trilema article does, it'd be openssh.
mircea_popescu: which allows me to say intelligent things in such a way that pyramids many sayings deep can be effortlessly constructed, retain meaning and even nurture new meaning, and in general have all the attributes of art.
mircea_popescu: MOST of the power of trilema relies on exactly this, that I don't have to IFDEF and DECLARE and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, the "fucking hell who ever heard of a program that wants you to specify what you don't know" essay. i recall it, and imo it is very much substantial to my complaint.