asciilifeform: but if more modest constraint ?

asciilifeform: if the problem is posed as 'can i build a castle in which i can successfully stow a stolen princess every time', then yes, answer is 'be powerful'

asciilifeform: 'be powerful' is not an answer, it is an answer to a different problem.

asciilifeform: not 'be powerful lord'

asciilifeform: the actual question is 'how do i be left alone'

asciilifeform: naturally 'powerful lord' immediately botches the question

asciilifeform: this begs the question. yes, you need money. just as you need rocket to get to mars. but ~how much~ and what vector. ☟︎

asciilifeform: but even he was eventually spotted by tourists - plume of smoke.

asciilifeform: (iirc record holder was: ~35 years!)

asciilifeform: yes, if you want to live like a bear, in a hole, it can even be done in a u.s. national park. people have.

asciilifeform: if you run a genset near that tomb, quite likely someone will take an interest at some point, no ?

asciilifeform: incidentally monasteries are a weaker, land-based special case of the thing i am interested in.

asciilifeform: i suppose it would not be high quality monastery if we had a way to know...

asciilifeform: ?

asciilifeform: are they all dead today /

asciilifeform: ^ now this, interesting!

asciilifeform owns a map...

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu must have very different notion of 'selectable' if it has room for an orc anthill

asciilifeform: it doesn't solve the problem !

asciilifeform: if answer is 'large egyptian family', not interested.

asciilifeform: but what is the minimal money necessary? and what to build with it ?

asciilifeform: money is involved in any case: boat isn't free

asciilifeform: so what would a sane approach to 'i wish to live with the company of other bipeds being wholly SELECTABLE', if not boat ? or mircea_popescu sees entire question as nuttery.

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: 'charlatan' is perhaps better adj ?

asciilifeform: shouldn't a scammer have some money on occasion ?

asciilifeform: just as differential engine was not built by an arithmetizer-girl.

asciilifeform: if anything, he is blinded by... his experience aboard actual boats!

asciilifeform: because technical breakthroughs occasionally do happen.

asciilifeform: but i say they are worth considering separately.

asciilifeform: and quite likely mircea_popescu is right re the technical side.

asciilifeform: this was my sole objection to mircea_popescu's position - he mixes technical (you can NEVER make this machine work economically) with philosophical (trying to ~formulate~, not to mention ~solve~, this problem is MADNESS!111) objection.

asciilifeform: lel

asciilifeform: not philosophical.

asciilifeform: but the question of 'how long can last' is an engineering question.

asciilifeform: no amulet.

asciilifeform: well then let's concretize: no, i personally have 0 interest in being part of a mormon family. and yes, it means i live until first broken leg. maybe this is acceptable tradeoff from my pov.

asciilifeform: question is, folks who dun have it, or dun want it, ought to eat their pistol immediately ? or there are other ways to live.

asciilifeform: no denying that it is a powerful thing.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495878 ☝︎

asciilifeform: egyptian swarm is great for the mass of humanity. folks with 0 theorems.

asciilifeform: granted these were households, with plenty of disposable human torpedoes, not lone wolf. but still.

asciilifeform: plenty of 'poor and we will live four days' journey from the next poor'

asciilifeform: not how american push west worked.

asciilifeform: elaborate plox?

asciilifeform: which is the fundamental problem with live-in trucks etc.

asciilifeform: i see the hypothetical machine as a pill against 'if yer poor you gotta live near other poor folks'

asciilifeform: 'no, mr bond, we expect you to die!111'

asciilifeform: well it was a philosophical rather than technical counter.

asciilifeform: the last time we had this thread we got a, imho, more interesting mircea_popescuine: 'boat is wrong problem because you are trying to make being poor and powerless work, if yer poor yer job is to die'

asciilifeform: fair'nuff.

asciilifeform: is this simply variation on familiar mircea_popescu program 'i am demigod and if somebody has a motivation i don't grasp, they are inconsequential sea slug and stfu' ?

asciilifeform: still not obvious, perhaps i'm thick

asciilifeform: i must confess, this is a hard nut

asciilifeform: nein

asciilifeform: (yes this is not what you get in a boat, but it is a kind of mathematical ideal)

asciilifeform: i would happily live in a truck if the truck could be teleported into a parallel space with 0 people by push of a button. ☟︎

asciilifeform: not that i couldn't arrange it, but that it would not be accurate picture of ~purpose-designed~ capsule

asciilifeform: as a boy i very much wanted to.

asciilifeform: people dun wanna be in a tank either.

asciilifeform: how much of the $maxint machine do you ~need~ if you don't need to launch nukes ? etc

asciilifeform: so next question is, can improve this ?

asciilifeform: (iirc)

asciilifeform: overhaul is a ~yearly thing.

asciilifeform: patrol is about 3 mo. long, for largely psychiatric reasons (they COULD store moar phood, but do not)

asciilifeform: let's take a living example, the nuke sub

asciilifeform: against vacuum, meteorites

asciilifeform: in the abstract sense of 'box in which i can weld myself in and survive for Y years'

asciilifeform: for this purpose.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the transport vessel is a special case of 'dome'

asciilifeform: the latter - is not necessarily.

asciilifeform: the former is a waste of mental cycles

asciilifeform: there is a distinction between the ~physically~ and ~economically~ impossible machine.

asciilifeform: which may or may not be possible, but strictly for physical reasons

asciilifeform: as i picture it, 'orlov's boat' is simply a lower-tech variation of the theme of 'mars dome'

asciilifeform: i dun see the link.

asciilifeform: his machine, aha

asciilifeform: incidentally i see 'quidnon' as a terrible design, and have no expectation that i will ever set foot in one.

asciilifeform: he sees it as a 'how can i make green a prime number' or the like.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu doesn't even conceptualize the problem i'd like solved as being a problem.

asciilifeform: well, this, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505593 etc. ☝︎

asciilifeform: and sail back home in it.

asciilifeform: go weather a storm in a diving bell.

asciilifeform: omfg

asciilifeform: diving bell? not sub!

asciilifeform: no confirmed examples prior.

asciilifeform: iirc barrel sub was a 17th c. item.

asciilifeform: waiwut

asciilifeform: which laugh at storms and rocks.

asciilifeform: they did not have subs.

asciilifeform: 'prisoner held incommunicado' is not same as 'i choose when i want to people and when not to'

asciilifeform: which prison is that ?

asciilifeform: this is hard concept ?

asciilifeform: I HATE PEOPLE

asciilifeform: i did not spend any time on mars, either

asciilifeform: where would i ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i actually poked nose into the subj, so not entirely innocent of 'yacht is 1,01 types of machine' concept

asciilifeform: (rare woods, racing optimizations, lack of plumbing, etc)

asciilifeform: it is a textbook 'cutting apart' item: what does yacht cost if you cut away all of the dirigible crapolade

asciilifeform: just as 'can man live on mars' is.