asciilifeform: (i will remind n00bs, also, that the part of phuctor which actually phuctors is a pure c proggy.)

asciilifeform: but it is what they had.

asciilifeform: not good weapon

asciilifeform: phuctor in python ought to be seen in the same light as the bamboo stakes smeared in shit the vietnamese defended their country with

asciilifeform: there is plenty to criticize. but it had gone with 'sane engineering all the way down' you would be waiting for it still.

asciilifeform: in, i should add, great haste.

asciilifeform: trinque: it was made 'junkyard wars' style, out of readily-available crud.

asciilifeform: trinque: on linux, no less

asciilifeform: whereas sanity - is possible. (e.g., on lispm you could use a lisp data structure in a fortran proggy and vice-versa, with 0 glue.)

asciilifeform: heterogeneous computing is liquishit.

asciilifeform: (because you gotta 'lapack' etc)

asciilifeform: ~80% glue-with-c code by weight

asciilifeform: i suffered the misfortune, at rupturefarms, of maintaining a 'sage' thing, it was agony

asciilifeform: *closed

asciilifeform: i have a ~7 y.o. version, it runs fine.

asciilifeform: at any rate, the thing 'ipython', 'sage', etc. imitate, is 'mathematica', which is a close-source turd but at least it WORKS and WILL WORK FOREVER on my internet-less machine.

asciilifeform: picture 'sorry you can't use grep, www.grep.com is down' ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506153 << single-user computing in a wwwtron is braindamaged. ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: (in place of the toolz)

asciilifeform: doubt it was the only thing; consider how many spare fittings would fit in the machine shop hall.

asciilifeform: and certainly not a mill.

asciilifeform: (pipe cutter/threader would suffice)

asciilifeform: lengths of pipe, as per BingoBoingo, is one likely item, but this pointedly does not require a whole lathe

asciilifeform: i should like to know what it was they typically cut.

asciilifeform: https://ctmprojectsblog.wordpress.com/2014/09/12/hawaii-pearl-harbor-machine-shops << moar picturesque examples

asciilifeform: ( http://www.public.navy.mil/navsafecen/Documents/afloat/Submarines/FLASH/FLASH_2011/2011_Jul-Sep_Web.pdf )

asciilifeform: lel u.s. navy, 'During the past six months, our surveyors have uncovered a number of submarines not complying with a requirement for a chip shield on the lathe or drill press. To aid the fleet in a decision process for procuring a solution, I found three of numerous possible companies which supply equipment...'

asciilifeform: quite likely, everyone.

asciilifeform: http://www.gettyimages.com/pictures/an-image-of-a-metal-lathe-on-the-captured-german-u505-news-photo-181424737 << germany, also.

asciilifeform: phun phakt: american (and probably other) ww2 subs had lathes on board.

asciilifeform makes note to self not to buy boatz from BingoBoingo ☟︎

asciilifeform: nothx.

asciilifeform: lemme guess, equiv. of duct tape ?

asciilifeform: and you are not surrounded with flammable decking

asciilifeform: where there is ample space to swing a torch

asciilifeform: easy on land

asciilifeform: so as to require frequent maintenance

asciilifeform: pex really seems like one of those plastics specially-designed for american chumps, to annihilate the intrinsic advantages of using plastic

asciilifeform: or house.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: same way they get into every boat ever ?

asciilifeform: i'll skip pex.

asciilifeform: and it dies in sunlight.

asciilifeform: rodents eat pex.

asciilifeform: there is, imho, something there, old garden hoses are likely to remain available longer and wider than teflon

asciilifeform: dun ask me.

asciilifeform: yes he has the weird hipster 'let's use only junkyard parts' thing going

asciilifeform: good luck.

asciilifeform: abrade, e.g., this, http://www.titeflex.com/industrial/products/PTFE

asciilifeform: or exposed to light.

asciilifeform: not all hose is made of shit y'know

asciilifeform: i mean, for water, this isn't reactor coolant

asciilifeform: why the fuck would you want rigid pipes on a boat.

asciilifeform: good chunk of the text does look familiar, yes.

asciilifeform: i have nfi

asciilifeform: for fucks sake, what does he use, ms 'wordpad' ?!

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i just had a crate of lafonde b00kz come in. these have got to be the worst-formatted and least dense printed matter i have ever purchased.

asciilifeform: a la 'superdome'

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i always picture them as being reused for gulags.

asciilifeform: on what?

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wake me up when there are pokemonists in north atlantic.

asciilifeform: like vultures

asciilifeform: anyway folks who run idiot traps (which is what this is) are a necessary part of ecosystem

asciilifeform: as described in pete_dushenski's quote.

asciilifeform: i suppose the difference is being covered by the mandatory blackmail material

asciilifeform: can't say that i have. simply that 800/h is not titanically selective of customers.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: sounds suspiciously cheap

asciilifeform: quite the nightmare to statist mind.

asciilifeform: cheap universal digital radio drives snooping costs to astronomical heights, and threatens to de-emphasize centralized telco antennae ☟︎

asciilifeform: at any rate, don't expect usg to surrender in their war against general-purpose radio. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ('g' was sold, for its last few years of life, with insufficient ram to run any extant linux)

asciilifeform: 'here, you can have usable box again!111 for 2x the cost! be happy'

asciilifeform: as 'extra cost'

asciilifeform: temporarily

asciilifeform: 'gl' was simply when they added the snipped upper 2MB of ram back in

asciilifeform: there are still wrt54g in use.

asciilifeform: but it... WORKED.

asciilifeform: wide-open wrt54g sold more than all other put together.

asciilifeform: so 'profit motive' my arse.

asciilifeform: routers - did not.

asciilifeform: tivo did.

asciilifeform: they could have done the 'signed firmware' thing in 1990s.

asciilifeform: by usg.

asciilifeform: 'device may only be sold if 1) it is broken in the ways we demand 2) user cannot fix it'

asciilifeform: what's so hard to see ?

asciilifeform: 1 is it.

asciilifeform: the issue is about control.

asciilifeform: (baofeng is a short-range VOICE radio, though, and hence politically inconsequential.)

asciilifeform: so the router thing is quite certainly not about spectrum policing.

asciilifeform: nobody bans.

asciilifeform: incidentally cn co. 'baofeng' happily sells 'piss all over the spectrum' radio sets in usa.

asciilifeform: cn will churn out STRICTLY what can be sold to the chumps and no more.

asciilifeform: costs them ~0.

asciilifeform: aha!111

asciilifeform: various gaping holes of 'nobody could have foreseen!' are being plugged.

asciilifeform: mats: and the pigfuckers certainly don't want you and i turning the wifi chip into mesh network etc. ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'for yer own good.'

asciilifeform: 'boot signed bootloader' etc.

asciilifeform: just like what microshit is in the process of achieving with pc.

asciilifeform: but yes, none of this has anything to do with spectrum politeness and everything to do with 'them terrorists install non-usgificated firmware, handbuilt bsds even, this has got to stop'

asciilifeform: piss on'em.