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mp_en_viaje: in this particular case, they picked a place on fucking bavariaring. how shall i explain what this is... basically every real town has a spot of land kept fallow on purpose to do things like i dunno, let a passin circus pitch tents there, right ? or whatever other large but dirty activity like that, yes.
diana_coman: that being said, I actually had a nice time at various biergartens fwiw - obv, with people "brought from home" as it were so I don't know it had much to do with the *garten itself
a111: Logged on 2019-04-03 08:43 spyked: upstack, re. tx propagation voodoo: the good part about this is that it got me into reading trb code and logs re bitcoin and trb. will be back to feedbotworks, but I'll say, this has been instructive
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-03#1906623 << i fucking bet. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-03 06:36 diana_coman: ersten und originalen Stammtisch - at least it's at a biergarten I hope
asciilifeform: diana_coman: must admit, currently i have massive hole of mystery where 'how and where does trb tx propagage' oughta be. is why last autumn i sat down & wrote (most of) a fairly gnarly proggy to try & map out node zoology & mempool dynamics. but sadly on hold presently, not enuff hands
asciilifeform: diana_coman: fwiw i virtually never saw any of mine on bci & similar heathen www, until mined ☟︎
diana_coman: asciilifeform: from what I understood though, spyked said he could not see his transaction relayed even
asciilifeform: i'd be quite curious to hear what trinque says about all of this; i expect today he does the most on-chain work of anyone here ☟︎
asciilifeform: for all i know, even mempool observatory would not necessarily tell you, there is 0 to stop a usg node from relaying one notional mempool to 1 peer and another to another, based on ???
asciilifeform: therefore i suspect specifically the miners, for whom by a certain set of prior this idiocy appears +ev
BingoBoingo: Well, if the USG has a fleet I don't know why they wouldn't prefer to propagate double spends
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unless , i suppose, you know of some prb variant that in fact preferentially relays 'double spends'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is entirely separate q from the 'i sent tx1 and no one mines but then sent tx2 and bang'
BingoBoingo: I suspect a large portion of the junk nodes might simply not be relaying transactions.
asciilifeform: elementary napkin gametheoretical arithm suggests that it is always +ev to mine a tx for which you know a conflicting one has been issued , vs. 1 for which you do not know of one , ~if~ you think you have better connectivity (i.e. more likely to be the 1st to see the split) than other miners ( and i suspect that each of'em thinks he has best connectivity, somehow )
a111: Logged on 2019-04-03 14:58 asciilifeform: so far the closest thing i have to a hypothesis, is that the fattest chinese want you to issue a set of conflicting tx so the thinner ones end up with longer invalidated chains
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-03#1906628 << to expand on this: say you issued tx1 where input i and output o1. he sees it, it goes to back of queue, as uninteresting, he does not mine it himself, but does relay to competitors. but if you also issue a and tx2, where input i and output o2, o2 != o1 , ~then~ tx2 goes to front of his queue, as by mining it he can throw caltrop to the competing miners , invalidating their chain ☝︎☟︎
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/04/english-judge-i-cannot-think-of-any-more-obviously-fundamental-human-right-than-the-right-of-a-man-to-have-sex-with-his-wife/ << Qntra -- English Judge: "I Cannot Think Of Any More Obviously Fundamental Human Right Than The Right Of A Man To Have Sex With His Wife"
a111: Logged on 2019-04-03 04:08 mp_en_viaje: also, guiao or w/e dork in current ukraine is well and truly fucked, isn't he ? (meanwhile i saw some random comedian won 1st round for presidency in previous ukraine, imaginary usg.blue concoction both)
a111: Logged on 2019-04-03 04:15 mp_en_viaje: so both modes are valid and important, no argument whatsoever of joining them. but i can not, physically, read the shit i read (and belive you me, i ~read~) in fixed point. i'd rather fucking hang.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-03#1906605 << i entirely agree that reading human text in typewriter chars is painful. gotta point out tho , that 'truetype' monstrosity is not justified thereby, it is possible to have horizontally-variable bitmap font (simply store the # of horiz. pixels as matrix , for 'kerning' space , and otherwise same ) ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i suspect -- the former
asciilifeform: i dun have the mempool observatory node working yet, so am currently unable to say whether this is widespread problem or asciilifeform simply 'got lucky' errytime ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( that, and/or they want moar churn, i.e. moar fee, when you gotta send N tx where previously 1 would have sufficed )
asciilifeform: so far the closest thing i have to a hypothesis, is that the fattest chinese want you to issue a set of conflicting tx so the thinner ones end up with longer invalidated chains ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: it's riotously obnoxious and erry time i encounter it , cements in my head the 'mining is a bug'
a111: Logged on 2019-04-03 08:36 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-02#1906563 , http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-02#1906572 <-- was thinking about the same, that txen should diffuse quickly; but then there I was waiting for >1hr at the 4th or so tx sent, and when I looked again it magically propagated *and* got confirmed. why this and none of the previous 3, no idea (one of them had higher tx fee, even)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-03#1906616 << this is a well-known effect ( most famously, possibly involved in how 'bitbet' burned down ) and i've personally observed it erry single time i sent coin in past coupla yrs . tx dun move until you send a conflicting tx . why the miners do this -- i still do not know ☝︎☟︎
spyked: upstack, re. tx propagation voodoo: the good part about this is that it got me into reading trb code and logs re bitcoin and trb. will be back to feedbotworks, but I'll say, this has been instructive ☟︎
spyked: !Qlater tell trinque could pl0x look at deedbot deposits when you get the time? fyi, I started two !!deposit and only did the latter; can cancel the former, I'll redo it later if needed ☟︎
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-02#1906563 , http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-02#1906572 <-- was thinking about the same, that txen should diffuse quickly; but then there I was waiting for >1hr at the 4th or so tx sent, and when I looked again it magically propagated *and* got confirmed. why this and none of the previous 3, no idea (one of them had higher tx fee, even) ☝︎☝︎☟︎
mp_en_viaje: looks like it, but if not, i have a lowen thing spotted also.
diana_coman: ersten und originalen Stammtisch - at least it's at a biergarten I hope ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: i guess it's time for breakfast now.
mp_en_viaje: o look, i got the whole logday all too myself. wheee!!!
mp_en_viaje: so both modes are valid and important, no argument whatsoever of joining them. but i can not, physically, read the shit i read (and belive you me, i ~read~) in fixed point. i'd rather fucking hang. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 18:32 mircea_popescu: because no, words don't "have meanings". your meanings for ANY WORD are a function of ALL THE OTHER WORDS YOU KNOW. which is why my definitions regularily blow out english dictionaries, wikipedia and other sources of "wisdom" out of the water - i know more words, and in this knowledge i know all the words i know ~better~. infinitely and irreproducibly so.
mp_en_viaje: also, guiao or w/e dork in current ukraine is well and truly fucked, isn't he ? (meanwhile i saw some random comedian won 1st round for presidency in previous ukraine, imaginary usg.blue concoction both) ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: but at least i found out theresa may has meanwhile solved the problem -- she'll just ask for a new delay in front of some cheap looking, chinese-made union jacks and behind the derpiest drawing of the queen's crest i ever did see.
mp_en_viaje: the thousand+ turned out to be the exact dozen-and-a-half i remember from the 80s, ie EXACTLY http://trilema.com/2017/fake-news-are-just-one-tail-of-the-failed-female-state/ problem.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-02 19:46 asciilifeform: iirc , last i looked, <0.1% of what answers on 8333 even remotely resembles actual node
a111: Logged on 2019-04-02 19:35 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-02#1906560 << it aint that i've anyffin against 'civilized' typography (tho prolly oughta admit, errything outside of graphical www on my boxen is displayed in exactly fixed-bitmap lettering) . simply gotta point out that 'fit 3 l where 1 w goes' is a luxury of sorts, costs moar moving parts than folx who never tried to implement it are typically aware of
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-02#1906570 << no argument that it's expensive (incidentally /me is fully aware, did professional stint in typo, asylum was printed on trad webpress process after a setting by yours truly for example). but by the same hand i'm aware it must be done and is worth doing. ☝︎
lobbes: looks like auctionbot is down, I'ma investigate
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> iirc , last i looked, <0.1% of what answers on 8333 even remotely resembles actual node << This is an environmental problem.
asciilifeform: iirc , last i looked, <0.1% of what answers on 8333 even remotely resembles actual node ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-02#1906560 << it aint that i've anyffin against 'civilized' typography (tho prolly oughta admit, errything outside of graphical www on my boxen is displayed in exactly fixed-bitmap lettering) . simply gotta point out that 'fit 3 l where 1 w goes' is a luxury of sorts, costs moar moving parts than folx who never tried to implement it are typically aware of ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-02 11:03 spyked: noob question re bitcoin: is there an expected time for tx propagation to peers' mempools? details: I'm running a fully synced trb node, connected to trusted republican nodes using -addnode. I've sent 2 txen using sendtoaddress ~3hrs ago and none of them are on e.g. blockchain.info so far
a111: Logged on 2019-04-01 16:47 asciilifeform: ( trivial if fixed-width font, but i suspect that not errybody is willing to jettison variable font just yet )
lobbes just had a moment of "I know I hit this wall before, but forgot the cause"; thankfully logs helped me out once again
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-02#1906538 << believe or not, asciilifeform recently turned up a crate containing several ( i have nfi, thought i gave'em all to danielpbarron ) but loox like he has you covered ☝︎
asciilifeform: spyked: i have a (sadly unfinished) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863409 proggy , for exactly these cases, on back burner. ☝︎
spyked: (to be clear, my issue is not of inclusion of said txen in the blockchain, but merely seeing them on nodes other than my own, even if unconfirmed; right now I might as well assume I'm doing something wrong and my node didn't send them at all)
spyked: noob question re bitcoin: is there an expected time for tx propagation to peers' mempools? details: I'm running a fully synced trb node, connected to trusted republican nodes using -addnode. I've sent 2 txen using sendtoaddress ~3hrs ago and none of them are on e.g. blockchain.info so far ☟︎
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-01#1906523 <-- ty, alf! I'll get to this asap ☝︎
mod6: Ah, cool. Got 5 or 10? I wore mine around recently, some people asked about 'em.
danielpbarron: yes i have some
BingoBoingo: I'm wondering about the aesthetic impact this is going to have since no more free trash bags with grocery purchase.
BingoBoingo: I acquired two sample bags of the new type today. They appear substantially stronger, with a more uniform quality than the old type which were potato droppers with inconsistently cut handles.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-29 14:07 asciilifeform: spyked: ty for the ping , item got literally buried under pile of papers. dug it up nao , and i'ma post it tomorrow morning.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: well, "my client" in the sense that I'm the only one cleaning it up basically
asciilifeform: diana_coman: unless i'm mistaken , presently there is only diana_coman's client , iirc
asciilifeform: indeed. i can think of a coupla potential proggies that call for it, tho ( 'tmsr browser' ; hypothetical replacement for emacs ; etc )
diana_coman: that sounds like a farawy problem still, plenty of headaches before getting there as far as I can see.
asciilifeform: ( trivial if fixed-width font, but i suspect that not errybody is willing to jettison variable font just yet ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-01#1906478 << i had to read 3x before saw anyffin other than 'reptilarium' , lol ! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i always thought it's the HEIGHT of insanity that if i buy 4 banks of 16gb ram i don't get 4x faster ram access.
diana_coman: guess so re derping hq; re fonts, I took that mess of a font out, yes; anyway, this was just on the side while stripping down the "login" window of useless password etc.
asciilifeform: at some pt, possibly earlier, will re-type the thing for publication, but i dun have a nicoleci , so may take a while .
mircea_popescu: i thouht that dood was english
asciilifeform: actually i think it was from a now-forgotten crackpot us candidate
bvt: OriansJ, you can register a GPG key with deedbot (http://deedbot.org/help.html), i'll rate you and you'll be able to up yourself.
mod6: Evenin' all, the Bitcoin Foundation report will be delayed by a few more days than normal (typically I have it out by the 1st); it'll be done before April 5th though. Just a heads up.
phf: ffs, sorry about that, i fucked up a paste..
billymg: but yeah, the "mp-wp roadmap proposal" post is something i've been meaning to do
billymg: in no particular order, if anything i'd say it's 2, 3, 1
billymg: so far main buckets as i see are: 1) new tmsr/repuplican theme, 2) automated tests, 3) kill unnecessary code
billymg: ok, i might capture/reference this in an upcoming post then, along with other potential roadmap items for consideration
mircea_popescu: trilema puts articles outside comments inside ands some more trims underneath. but i don't expect this is the only way to go about it -- though perhaps it is best to have "recent x" things up top.
mircea_popescu: b1. your text column will have to have a fixed size. this is the 2nd, and i suspect last decision you make. too wide, you get horizontal scrolling, and that sucks. too wide, you're reading an electromagnetic beam, which also sucks.
billymg: ok, i see now exactly what you meant by can't select the other sizes while uploading (only original)
mircea_popescu: as far as experience illuminates, a theme goes like this : a) you must have a header, and a.1 you don't want it animated ; thus i know of nothing better than tcurrent state of the art as shown by trilema : mask-png which goes with the theme, invite user to take some pictures, apply the mask, upload them and have the theme rotate through them by some criteria.
billymg: ah, i see
mircea_popescu: now ~whether~ it can or can not resize images, that'd be part of mp-wp, and i expect it'd work, but your current theme doesn't expose the functionality
mircea_popescu: or, the sizes. well, no, i expect this is part of the theme setting. i dunno that it'd work magically
billymg: definitely, i had planned to write a custom theme at some point, with inputs from the lords, to try and arrive at an "ideal" default theme
mircea_popescu: billymg, : "Size Thumbnail Medium Large Full size (560 × 420)" only permits me the 560x420 upload. ideally should have also a thumbnail or two, you know ? sometimes that works better. i suspect this comes from settings ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i can see the "forget roles" thing, but i expect this is no cheap or quick move of the scissor.
asciilifeform: 'roles' is as i see it simply the typical usgistic 'pissing section in swimming pool' pretense
diana_coman: fwiw I don't see any use for "roles" either
billymg: i wonder if this is a limitation of "contributor" role
billymg: hmm, i definitely tested that aspect
mircea_popescu: billymg, submitterd for review, but long story short you don't have img upload anymore that i can find ?
a111: Logged on 2019-03-31 16:56 diana_coman: re fg inside, I suppose that's the "those guys don't know how to sell" - gotta make it a collectable, there's no use and no purpose other than it's cool; but mircea_popescu's explanation of self-valuation seems to me to explain it all much better really.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-31#1906292 << diana_coman (iirc is in the l0gz, somewhere briefly) 1 time i dug up what turned out to be an attempt by pete_d to market fg -- his notion was 'first, gotta rename! it' ☝︎
mircea_popescu: this identification of "any feeling at all" with "bad" in the mental collective is why bush needn't cary any responsability for his empire's failure in the middle east (i don't mean, "his empire failing to achieve something or the other in that locale", i mean "the empire failing, aka ending, at that place", much like if i say "clinton's aneurism at 15th chelsea street" i mean the dork fell in the street, not that the stre
diana_coman: but yes, on second pass I think I can see it: that's his sweat there, "having kids", the rest has to compensate !!
diana_coman: I suspect the whole thing is more twisted than planeshift's code already.
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, i misspoke. not "what more you want" but "nobody could say there'd be more wanted", exactly in g. costanza's terms, "she can'tr say i;m not comfortable".