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ben_vulpes: clearly i don't understand how the world werkz
ben_vulpes: i can't compile anyone's code
asciilifeform: for the eulora folks, i will point out that the toolchain in 'rotor' could just as easily build their thing
Guest96371: Sounds like fun! Just figured I would tune in and see if anyone had anything interesting to say!
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: "copy my rotor_buildroot_dot_config to the now-untarred buildroot dir as '.config'" << speaking of which, i seem to be snagged up here. can't find 'rotor_buildroot_dot_config'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the point i was trying to get across is that we are nowhere near a point where folks who are not #b-a regulars can really get into the true meat of the matter
phf: ben_vulpes: i have fresh formulas for the brew. also i've verified that eulora indeed builds with gcc-4.9
ben_vulpes: oh i'm aware, have written at least one taludic entry
ben_vulpes: somewhere between s.nsa poems and zilc h in email body is some utility i'm sure
asciilifeform: but sadly i work in uranium mine and - not so much time, energy.
asciilifeform: i would dearly love to write a lengthy treatise to the ml on every single occasion
asciilifeform: srsly context was in the log. and the first time anybody asked, i linked to it.
asciilifeform: since ben_vulpes is unhappy with this pattern, the next time ~every~ therealbitcoin node grinds to a halt on account of some shitgnomery, i won't be staying up at 3am releasing a patch.
ben_vulpes: i'm here for ten minutes
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose this is when we say that the log is both free and good reading and call it a day.
onlooker: Ok so alternative medicine, homeopaths are where generally recognised as doctors prior to the AMA and big pharmas takeover of american medicine. If I'm telling you something you don't know I'll feel special :)
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i STILL don't understand why just about everybody insists on building stator. << adoption takes a few weeks, have you seen the android numbers?
ben_vulpes: <phf> re was explained in grant morrison's INVISIBLES series. get your facts, straight son, straight from the source. fnord. << i think there are characters missing from this line but i can't tell
mircea_popescu: i was actually earnest. but anyway, yes, say alternative medicine, get fewer people in wtf state.
onlooker: perhaps I should have made it more vague and said "alternative medicine"
mircea_popescu: i thought homeopathy was that thing where diluting things makes them work.
onlooker: mircea, homeopathy is practiced by a wide variety and includes a vast array of alternative medicine, I'm not suggesting it all works or doesn't. I'm just pointing out that it's difficult to investigate alternative claims when I have to hack around paywalls that I don't respect
onlooker: I said I had a son, anyway 15 hey, I guess my grammar and smaller vocab could be an excuse to think that
onlooker: I wouldn't even try to argue morality, math is the only morality I respect, if you can call it that
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 03:20:47; asciilifeform: i STILL don't understand why just about everybody insists on building stator.
onlooker: mircea popescu, "the poor" is arbitrary anyway, I'm not suggested they even need rescuing rather they the playing field will be leveled whether the rich or elites help them or not
onlooker: why do you ask? I'm 40 ish
onlooker: old enough to remember when the POTUS was admired as the leader of the free world, and young enough to hope I live to see the last POTUS haha
onlooker: asciilifeform thanks for asking, I guess a lot of the ideas I'm interested in homeopathic and medical stuff. There's a lot of "cures" out there, and so much of it is behind paywalls. I don't really have a plan for how to change it, I just expect it change for the same reason I expect the money to end.
mircea_popescu: onlooker you're missing the part where i'm not sharing ideas with you. because who are you.
asciilifeform: i.e. what sort of ideas do you suppose are hidden from you by copyrasty
asciilifeform: onlooker: i for one would like to know what you had in mind
onlooker: ah, they are old idea lol... they are a good start no doubt, but it's not really my point. Anyway I don't expect the world to see things as I do, if everyone agreed with me I'd be worried anyway lol
onlooker: I just feel that if we actually shared ideas instead of hiding them from one another the world would be a smarter place. I realise the thinking required to get from here to there is a gargantuan leap
asciilifeform: i'll have you know that at my university they play (on symphonic orchestra, yes!).... 'super mario.'
asciilifeform: if it were mozart - i would see the other perspective, yes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i know where he's coming from. but what do you want me to say.
mircea_popescu: onlooker i don't think the antiquated legal system being retained was at any point contemplated.
asciilifeform: i can sit in a restaurant in dc with pet and loudly consider 'let's bring back hitler and make him 300 metres tall and feed him prime jew rib' and no one notices
mircea_popescu: and i didn't even charge them for the copyright.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform earlier at restaurant i gestured for whatever small thing, girl ran off to do, whole tableful of idiotic argentine she-derps sat agape.
asciilifeform: for all i know, this happened already long ago
mircea_popescu: onlooker understand something : you got no leg into the world of ideas. i'm simply not sharing. copyright is there to give you a (slight) chance, nothing else.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231861 << this is doomed to come back at any rate. i.e. how mozart et al played. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: if it was i missed it. but really, 20 years, 1-2k girls, this broadly speaking is on par with the results of the serbs.
onlooker: who are the vast majority of the poor? well, I would argue that those under 15 in the USSA have the biggest skin in the economic game despite being currently mostly excluded from it lol... Crypto could/may change that
onlooker: I have a son, he's 9 months old, I have to change his nappy, he doesn't respect math, time, copyright or patent. He's poor. My nephew is 12, he has no money of his own, but he has a computer, mines his own coins, and although they are not worth much, he's able to participate, He can't participate in Banking, he's not even allowed to use his own account ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231524 << i had it as sushi. kinda sour. ☝︎
asciilifeform: yes, difference. (though i appreciate knuth's choice)
onlooker: askiilifeform, perhaps I should say math is giving voice to the poor, because it doesn't distinguish my data from yours
onlooker: mircea, if you are distinguishing between copyright and patents it seems a petty distinction to me. I put them in the same category, both intend to punish people for copying thoughts and ideas
mircea_popescu: well, it gives voice to someone somewhere i'm sure.
mircea_popescu: which of the i dunno, three or so
onlooker: mircea popescu, exactly and I wouldn't put you in the same category either despite your claim that you are a defacto banker. Anyway, I won't pay for your work, despite admiring your lovely way with language. I just feel that the one thing you miss is that you are not the only one able to come up with genius. Did one person invent the light globe? Copyright seems to say yes, but then the history of the victors is nothing new
mircea_popescu: i'll tell you waht it is. i get to sometimes beat the everliving shit out of the students.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu has a much thicker pedagogic skin to begin with, i dare say
mircea_popescu: eh, i just had the peanut chicken you perhaps remember, and then went for the nude entertainment thing. hard to bother me for a while.
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2014 03:17:34; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i didn't know any better, i'd imagine we went to uni together. we had 'the same' chick! she bedeviled our number theory prof with at least a hundred very boneheaded questions every lecture. he seethed, boiled, but couldn't throw her out. why? 'registered special needs.' (going for math degree!) she even got unlimited time on exams.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm getting flashbacks now of my number theory lecture, where we had that gurl
mircea_popescu: onlooker i am de facto a banker, but i doubt the term has any substantial meaning to you past "those meanie assholes that make the house i want cost more than i can afford".
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 22:53:48; ag3nt_zer0: i did that damn "visualize a quarter" experiment for a couple weeks and whne i finally found one, it was glued to the pavement
n6: asciilifeform: Yes I understand that and its awful to read for everyone else. sorry
asciilifeform: n6: since nobody else is standing up to do it, i will tell you the bad news: it appears that you are not yet ready for a source-based linux system
mircea_popescu: onlooker i'm quite famously elitist.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think it always was half that.
asciilifeform: i must've missed it
n6: trinque: how would that help me? can I build it from the source already on the pc?
onlooker: I asked if you had an opinion, from the perspective of someone who seems intelligent and uses bigger words than me. I appreciate you taking the time to reply at all, I don't mind if you have no opinion, just I hoped you would see copyright as the elitists use to tell poor people they are not allowed to think
mircea_popescu: i thought we were aiming to avoid makework.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd say ~yes~. 'find a revenue model that doesn't rely on armed thugs breaking down my door for copying a fucking number, and i never signed any contracts with this fella'
trinque: n6: I'm making a script that puts gentoo on a stick, or any block device really
mircea_popescu: i ain't saying that.
mircea_popescu: consider the controlling case, as i opposed it to diametric s question back in the day. so quentin tarantino comes in here all upsed about you copying his latest movie. what do i say, "fuck off qt, if you made a movie you didn'ty make that movie" ? ☟︎
n6: trinque, asciilifeform: Would you be able to point me to a place where I can learn how to build lsub on my mac then put it on a usb drive and move it to gentoo so I can get wireless working and make a key?
asciilifeform: 'tis one thing if i was given a secret, swore an other. entirely other thing when i find a number scribbled on the sidewalk and decide to scribble it elsewhere
asciilifeform: which as i understand is the perverse concept that somebody gets to bang on my door and demand gold for copying a number
n6: hanbot: thanks I will get on that right now.
mircea_popescu: then i don't need to have an oppinion on it.
asciilifeform: except i didn't
asciilifeform: when i buy a piece of shit from a street merchant i ain't taking no oath.
onlooker: I don't think copyright is the same thing as keeping a secret, if you keep a secret and you keep it well then you don't need copyright
asciilifeform: i don't see how it 'is complicated' at all. folks who wanna be paid when i copy a number, get a raging hardon for the state (tm) (r) when it makes noises of promise to make it happen
n6: hanbot: sorry I lost my key(Not a person), still trying to fix my lsub issue on gentoo before I make a new one.
trinque: I love that.
onlooker: hi there, would you like to share your thoughts on copyright? I've only come across your writings today and found them most entertaining.
phf: though i'm not sure how much i want to put to public record on this subject. i made some interesting friends when i moved to this country, unfortunately this whole culture seemed to have died out. even when i was enjoying it, it was mostly archival work
phf: i'm sure hubbard just lifted whatever he could from his time at the agape lodge
phf: *that i could not
phf: i only vaguely remember that talk, because i listened to it under the influence, and at some point i was convinced that i could perform magical rituals, and the only thing keeping me from fundamentally affecting reality was years of societal conditioning that i could at the time overcome. i think i was also at some point convinced that bush was a great grandson of aliester crowley by way of pauline pierce, and that he's going to bring about
ag3nt_zer0: phf: i dunno; after he said he wrote his own reality and as he was writing the things he was writing were coming true I figured the comic couldnt be better than that...
mod6: yah, I left him a note to re-send a patch with a detached sig to the ML. can help or do it for him if required, etc.
mod6: once we have that, and a new patch from trinque, i can complete my script and have a rotor that builds these test bundles with x86-64
asciilifeform: i personally regard these as important knobs and their absence from the original bitcoin as an atrocity
mod6: yup, i recall.
asciilifeform: mod6: i regard them as useful
mod6: was thinking that next I'll work on a patched bundle up through -verify all with rotor. and then work ourselves up to a place where we feel comfortable.
mod6: it has to be downloaded seperately. thats fine. i did this today.
ag3nt_zer0: i mean I get the whole thing he was on about but he was seemd stragley excited haha
mod6: so i don't wanna seem like im replicating work; just trying to clean it up a bit.
ag3nt_zer0: I never looked at that comic... I saw Morrison speak and thought he was weird haha