asciilifeform: cheap unmanned guyfawkestrons are nothing new, consider http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/15.html , written in late '70s.

asciilifeform: mats: aha, hence http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506643 . ☝︎

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: get thee to a toy store

asciilifeform: has pete_dushenski flown even a toy quadcopter? any idea of the kind of 'ping time' you need to actually keep the thing upright ?

asciilifeform: own satellite ?

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: remotely over what ?

asciilifeform: (if one were to blow up today, the circle in which police would know to look for the operator, is not large.) ☟︎

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: esp. if you want any kind of range.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: quadcopter that can lift so much as a frag, is rarity.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it makes for an exceedingly painful time doing anything for which there is not a ready button.

asciilifeform: mine's got what must be metres of tape on it.

asciilifeform: http://americanconcrete.com/commercial/barriers/Jersey-Barrier.jpg << subj.

asciilifeform: the bollard is ~quintessentially~ american, in my mind, the way the onion dome is ~quintessentially~ russian in typical anglo head.

asciilifeform: in whatever way their piddling orc tech permits.

asciilifeform: they ~know~ that they are a blight, and that folks will try to deal with'em.

asciilifeform: same idea.

asciilifeform: or see pictures of a u.s. embassy build in past 20y, just about anywhere.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506517 << usg has been maniacally afraid of this kind of thing for decades, to the point that not only wh, but semi-abandoned army reserve shithole not far from where i live, is surrounded by 'bollard' barriers, spikes, etc. ☝︎

asciilifeform: 'press for lolcat'

asciilifeform: 'press for mooosik store'

asciilifeform: i tried to use it once, it reminded me of those keyboards they widely sold to 'INTERNET!1111' lusers of the '90s, with 'pizza' and 'beer order' buttons

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506536 << pray tell pete_dushenski , for what do you need the cpanel abortion ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: (at present time they have no such assurance)

asciilifeform: and not usgilema.

asciilifeform: which incidentally is also how they will know that they are in fact reading trilema.

asciilifeform: via gossipd.

asciilifeform: those folks ought to be watching tv.

asciilifeform: but i for one have 0 interest in preserving the 'internet is a cheaper way to broadcast bbc' thing.

asciilifeform: ~tomorrow's~ internet is http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208 .

asciilifeform: just not radio.

asciilifeform: today's internet - 'madness'. 1990 internet - nearly ~was~ a mesh.

asciilifeform: so there is ~0 financial pressure in that direction.

asciilifeform: in the case of 'sheeple' tuning in to bbc/fox noose/etc. -- doubtlessly MORE expensive.

asciilifeform: rather than naturally occuring.

asciilifeform: and that the star topology of telecom - is enforced.

asciilifeform: merely pointing out that the centralized chokepoints are not physically necessary.

asciilifeform: and have, for decades.

asciilifeform: aaaactually i send quite a few packetz a few km back'n'forth.

asciilifeform: (with possible exception of '90s romania)

asciilifeform: and yet this is what we have on 100% of planet.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506537 << if i want to send a packet to my next door neighbour, and it has to go through a station 3km away, it is idiocy ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://x86.renejeschke.de/html/file_module_x86_id_280.html

asciilifeform: on pc aha

asciilifeform: (in fact retlw is the ~only~ way to refer to data in rom on that machine)

asciilifeform: e.g., pic16xxx

asciilifeform: there are machines where ret (or similar) takes an operand, and you can make a jump table that way

asciilifeform: 'i have no idea where i will land so i wanna ret'

asciilifeform: something like a nop sled in reverse

asciilifeform: but a fudge of the inept

asciilifeform: lel that does not sound like a trick of the competent

asciilifeform: sega, in particular, shipped some mighty weird hardware.

asciilifeform: my brother spent most of the '90s hand-massaging the 3dtronz.

asciilifeform: (which is not 'scientific' in the usual sense but plenty of tight physics code)

asciilifeform: this was egregiously true in '90s game console market.

asciilifeform: if you subtract obvious drepperisms, 'comment commits' by genderfucks, etc. - you end up with circa-'90s mass every time. ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506555 << this is not only accurate, but it is closer to 90% in my experience than 50. ☝︎

asciilifeform: likewise 'scientific computing' is many things to many people - it is not always 'trillion long divisions before tuesday'

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506550 << slow scripting langs are used for non-speedcritical portions for the same reason the ~entire program~ is not in asm. ☝︎

asciilifeform: this kind of fit is not so hard.

asciilifeform: mega-surprise.

asciilifeform: lel and i bet when you stabbed her angry husband, the blade also fit perfectly in the hole it made

asciilifeform: and needs a certain 'height of tower' which is unlikely to stick around for much longer imho.

asciilifeform: the 20th c. stability thing, with its attendant luxuries, e.g., industrial standards, is likely a historic fluke.

asciilifeform: but really it is quite a thing.

asciilifeform: this kind of thing is ~entirely unremarkable to any literate person.

asciilifeform: ... fit perfectly.

asciilifeform: replaced stepper motors with modern ones, using original screws

asciilifeform: story interlude: i bought a ~35 y.o. cnc mill recently.

asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu : this is an interesting question, with a depressing answer - common lisp standard is nearing, arguably, it's 'lincoln war' moment, because the necessary general-purpose computer is growing thin on the ground.

asciilifeform: ^ oblig.

asciilifeform: $s great slow kings

asciilifeform: well then the only 'thing' is empty space. everything else (even proton may decay...) dun last.

asciilifeform: good things dun last.

asciilifeform: seconds, sure. decades ? i dunno that i personally have two decades left.

asciilifeform: may as well ask why i would consider a boat that 'only' can last for two decades.

asciilifeform: should i ?

asciilifeform: 3-4.

asciilifeform: correct.

asciilifeform: heat death etc.

asciilifeform: thermodynamics always applies. eventually.

asciilifeform: ~0 indians in the geography in question after andrew jackson bugsprayed them.

asciilifeform: we may be thinking of different periods.

asciilifeform: (which was no good for cotton or tobacco, and ergo uninteresting to the powerz)

asciilifeform: no, but master of own acre.

asciilifeform: because nobody needed them, or the land they occupied, for anything whatsoever.

asciilifeform: poor whites lived ~wholly unmolested and untaxed by the rulers.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not every tank contains pirannhas. consider the old american south

asciilifeform: needs to be difficult, rare, and healthily dangerous.

asciilifeform: hence why i have 0 interest in 'mass konsooomerized houseboat' concept.

asciilifeform: this, yes.

asciilifeform: but mass was not under contemplation.

asciilifeform: i can see, possibly, that if mass of office plankton were somehow place in boats, yes, there would be harvesting thereof.

asciilifeform: elaborate ?

asciilifeform: but as 'fewer pirates than here on dry land'

asciilifeform: i never saw it as 'empty'

asciilifeform: i did wonder, as a boy, reading about such, what did these folks have instead of brains, that their answer to 'pirates sink 20%' was 'put Moar Silver on MEGA-BOAT'

asciilifeform: are spanish.

asciilifeform: sorta why the largest, juiciest, wrecks to salvage even today...

asciilifeform: i can see it.

asciilifeform: 'cannon? what cannon'