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mircea_popescu: is this like... V before V, ie, all-the-disadvantages-and-no-more ?
phf: "then told me that I had to abandon my cleanup work and start over on his tree, and explain everything to his satisfaction (as a Windows guy) before it could go in"
phf: that explains why when i tried building it it was chasing compatibility bugs down a rabbit hole
BingoBoingo: Gracias. Ought to be a valuable cultural immersion experience.
BingoBoingo: And on tonight's agenda, a spanish test
mircea_popescu: funny how the "days gone by" immediately reconstruct themselves just as soon as one ditches the rotten principles preventing them.
diana_coman: heh, in good old traditions of a long-gone world and age, eulorans are rather suspicious of change and they aren't old even!!
mircea_popescu: but look on the bright side danielpbarron : if that process ain't making you a scientist, nothing will.
mircea_popescu: i just get pissy when my brilliant ideas can't be implemented like, the next day.
danielpbarron: who is saying that about eulora? i'm not in any rush. whenever there is a drastic change it makes me more nervous than excited, because now I gotta re-figure everything out again
asciilifeform: ( took about 2hrs on this box )
asciilifeform: emerge -e world , on gcc4.9, did the trick.
mircea_popescu: "mp, why isn't your infinite world update, announced LAST YEAR, live yet ?!?!" "because ints don't work on computers. also because merely rewriting the crypto layer ain't fucking enough. and also because FUCK YOUR UGLY ASS MOTHER AND THE IDIOT DRUNKS SHE KEEPS FUCKING, FUCKO!"
asciilifeform: in other noose, trinque's pill worked, but the gcc5.x item was not needed
diana_coman: so I just did a quick curl for latest gpg, 2.2.4; at least in name ~everything is changed ofc, but it's a load of lol to do a plain grep -r "workaround" .
diana_coman: asciilifeform, myeah, I suspect it's still widely used in fact; if I get any time I'll take a peak at latest I suppose
asciilifeform: esp. spicy considering that it is taken straight from mircea_popescu ( and prolly just about everybody else's ) gpg
diana_coman: thing is now I'm even *less* comfortable using that whole mpi thing... makes me wonder what else is in there and not yet spotted
diana_coman: for the very impatient: caller fails on the cases where it uses that broken macro i.e. any shift by a multiple of BITS_PER_MPI_LIMB; 0 is just one case, not the only one; further up, caller avoids the issue, as stated
a111: Logged on 2017-12-20 01:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754868 << this wasnt finished. that thing does nuffin , regardless of the loop termination condition
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1754999 <- it is broken anyway, yes; at the very top it works as I said: by avoiding it basically; in any case, hang on until tomorrow as next chapter will have to be patching this and sorting it out ☝︎
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mircea_popescu: i thought it was throwing dis cunt
phf: right, traditional games, like throwing discus and wrestling
mircea_popescu: and then we can play golf.
asciilifeform: how about it goes to oven. and the crapola that 'needs' it, also to oven.
phf: plan9 rewrote their soelim as a shell script..
asciilifeform: it's sop on my boxen but i forgot to include it in my 2015 recipe
trinque: ah the udev rules thing; asciilifeform's solution would be better
mircea_popescu: does gentoo bake dns into the kernel, debian style ?
trinque: asciilifeform: thought I touched something in there that does it
phf: mircea_popescu: well they've believed in the whole "single tool for a job" thing back then, and yes it was a hack (not in a sense that soelim is such a tool, but in a sense that tools that soelim is a glue between poorly designed tools)
asciilifeform: to disable the infuriating 'let's rename eth0 to asjtghuidfjhiuorhjgr0 ' item
asciilifeform: trinque: you forgot to add net.ifnames=0 to kernel boot args
trinque: (the other cut of the lilo thing is to simply say "thou shalt not have other drives plugged in when cuntoo is spawning)
trinque: if anybody knows the answer to that riddle, the rest of the "reproduction" is trivial copying of files
mircea_popescu: and ftr, there's no excuse to EVEN HAVE soelim at all ; let alone as a standalone wtf
phf: mircea_popescu: well, ~i've~ found something to hate, so i joined the fray
trinque: real quick, only serious thing missing from the cuntoo script is commanding lilo to ignore all devices but the target disk.
mircea_popescu: is the hate stirll travelling or is it merely a universe-zsized ball of hate ?
asciilifeform: latex ate tex eons ago
asciilifeform: phf: i also tried this, ~decade ago, quite impossible
phf: i've actually recently went through an exercise of trying to spin up knuth's plain tex as a standalone typesetting system. it's nearly impossible
mircea_popescu: so i go to argue the point, fall upon https://www.latex-project.org/news/2017/12/15/github-move/ "news"
phf: what trinque said, there's no "straight latex", it's 1.6gb of liquishit
mircea_popescu: fuck, they could be html and it'd be better than this nonsense.
asciilifeform: and why manpages ain't straight txt.
asciilifeform: phf: i dun grasp why box needs troff.
mircea_popescu: phf hate was re two things. a) i utterly failed to parse z(item) into (item) so hated ; and b) soelim was a dirty hack [atop a meanwhile pointless item].
asciilifeform: ( i fully believe that it -- out of the box -- won't )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescuL then THAT's what needs doctoring
phf: mircea_popescu: but the factuals are not necessarily under dispute (~soelim~ is not a phototypesetter is what i said). original hate was against "never seen this wrecker thing before", then when new fangled thing turned out to be an old tool, hate shifted to 1960 phototypesetters. methinks the point is a traveling one..
trinque: lacks the whole reproductive bit
trinque: here, I'll go ahead and post this early, if we're abandoning ship.
asciilifeform: ( also i'm beginning to suspect that i'm doing this all wrong. prolly what oughta be done is to track down freebsd circa 2002 , ALL of the necessary pieces, and work from THAT . )
mircea_popescu: and quite literally phototypesetter, at that.
mircea_popescu: phf let's stick to factuals. 1. is groff or is groff not a "free and open" gnu theft of troff ; 2. was or was not groff a thinly veiled excuse by at&t coders who wanted a pdp to get it, because "they'll make a patents editing system" ? 3. did they or did they not simply copy roff, 1960s era item ?
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm not sure what to say, we're like multiple cycles deep into rhetoric here, inception style. i will say though, all this misdirected hate can't be good for digestion, i fear for asciilifeform, he might crack under questioning
asciilifeform: 'the chainshot carried off both'melegz, goddam them all...'(tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: they used to shoot chain at enemy ships in the age of sail! to destroy them!
mircea_popescu: it's a fucking metal chain. they make industrial abrasives out of chain.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck can he do that ? does he have NO sensitivity whatsoever ?
mircea_popescu: and in other "please explain this to me"s, http://78.media.tumblr.com/9bdf3b8432f6eaee2cf4ea9bca9918de/tumblr_neb5lycylT1sqopubo1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: you know they actually say "a rear" there when they mean area ?
trinque: the ear on this guy
asciilifeform: good time to find out ~who~ wants'em and forwhat.
trinque: oh you mean method by which? no idear; I bet everyone's mother wants them.
asciilifeform: why is this warcrime on the box.
asciilifeform: oh hey trinque can we ban app-misc/ca-certificates ?
mircea_popescu: !~google zsuzsana cerveni tits
mircea_popescu: zs is a transliteration of a sound in some language i speak, it got eaten as such
mircea_popescu: i honestly didn't even fish "soelim" out of the zsazsagabordaemon
mircea_popescu: what is prepending z even supposed to denote ? zdumb ?
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the logic works.
phf: to be fair soelim is part of troff suite going back to bill joy's original. i suspect zsoelim is some recent groff addition.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755201 << i've never heard of, or seen , this item before, it ain't on any other box i have . and yet it breaks man pages -- all of them -- on the box. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i can neither add to nor subtract from this.
mircea_popescu: the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people they can't possibly say "to hell with ye"
asciilifeform: Unicode has changed over the years. Unicode code points no longer fit into ...
asciilifeform: * to 0x10ffff (17 planes, where each plane holds 65536 code points).
a111: Logged on 2017-12-20 03:17 asciilifeform: trinque: forget autoconf flags. i want to disable the generation or loading of dyn libs, period.
mircea_popescu: there's literally an "utility" to munge dots into filenames.
mircea_popescu: holy shit this is retarded.
asciilifeform: .... Failed to emerge sys-process/procps-3.3.12-r1 ☟︎
asciilifeform: In file included from top/top_nls.c:24:0:
asciilifeform: ( picture the elephantine drepper glibc in every bin )
asciilifeform: it'd have to be on a musl box
trinque: must be organ-chopping week. first trb wallet, now musl dynloader and gcc linker
asciilifeform: ( and yes, i'm quite aware that, e.g., valgrind, won't work on such a machine )
phf: hah. well then
asciilifeform: trinque: forget autoconf flags. i want to disable the generation or loading of dyn libs, period. ☟︎
trinque: why would anyone want that.
trinque: of course, not everyone implemented the static use flag.
asciilifeform: phf: funnily enuff, systemd is mentioned in them there docs.
asciilifeform: 'The GNU C++ team works hard to avoid breaking ABI compatibility between releases, including between different -std= modes. But some new complexity requirements in the C++11 standard require ABI changes...' motherfuckers
asciilifeform: wonder if there's a way to ban it, for whole box. permanently.
asciilifeform: and how am i to build world without'em.
asciilifeform: the q is , what other bins on this box will bomb