asciilifeform: when janissary corps was dissolved

asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu recall the 'auspicious incident' ?

asciilifeform: usa, unlike most orc shitholes, has a well-curated electoral zoo, and this kind of thing is rare. but it happens.

asciilifeform: nobody's defunding lockheed et al. whoever is stubborn enough to bribe diebold et al to keep finger off the cheat button and win, will eat some 'bad shellfish' during some party dinner and that'll be that.

asciilifeform: from my perch, mr t is not electable, unless he mccains and promises, answerable with his arse and his woman-sausages, to play ball, and prolly not then, either.

asciilifeform: and scattered brainz

asciilifeform: last fella who hinted at possible delizardification was named kennedy.

asciilifeform: this 'nursing'

asciilifeform: does this shit even exist outside of ustard mythology?

asciilifeform: lolwat

asciilifeform: a few hr/day , here, in the evening they go to the rape pits, voluntarily, beer-lubricated

asciilifeform: was it even paused ? or what do you suppose the college chix do with their time?

asciilifeform: tru

asciilifeform: if anyone needed them for anything.

asciilifeform: sounds like a buyer's market!111

asciilifeform: +usury

asciilifeform: and why the mention of paper bills...?

asciilifeform: 200k is moar typical

asciilifeform: that aint even money

asciilifeform: '25,000. That’s the number of single dollar bills that I will eventually have to pay back. ' << wtf

asciilifeform: i dun pray to satan to ask that btc be magically nailed to usd, but words - incl. 'stable' - have meanings..!

asciilifeform: or does 'not stable' count only falls.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510691 << they jizzed in their pants when it spiked from the 400s and are still cleaning up?? ☝︎

asciilifeform: ^ brazil..

asciilifeform: see thread from 1hr ago.

asciilifeform: it isn't connected to anything.

asciilifeform: nlocktime is a decorative knob.

asciilifeform: nor could ever, with trb.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510643 << the extra special lul is that the crapolade ~never~ worked! ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510640 << i suppose it is possible to watch cockfight without feeling urge to strap razors to one or the other bird... ☝︎

asciilifeform: when i 'but why let mouse go', it was from impatience.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510638 << well i'd prefer max chaos and blood, with respect to enemy ☝︎

asciilifeform: (recall, e.g., last year's july phork.)

asciilifeform: i will point out that ~every word uttered thus far, by claimed miners, has turned out to have ~0 relationship with the truth.

asciilifeform: by ???.

asciilifeform: ergo anything that is uttered by a purported miner, should be seen as a strategic lie.

asciilifeform: i do not believe that it is +ev for any miner to truthfully speak.

asciilifeform: personally i have nfi which.

asciilifeform: (i.e. only on the mempool end? or on both ends ?)

asciilifeform: so outcome would depend on ~where~ they narrowed

asciilifeform: and it will be orphaned unless you can outrun the entire set. i.e. 51%ate.

asciilifeform: but if they 'narrowed protocol' then yes, their existing code will reject your block to build on

asciilifeform: (naturally whether they do or not would depend on whether the cartel specifically targets you for zapping, otherwise it is matter for luck)

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510588 << iirc mircea_popescu explained that this would not work, your blocks would end up orphaned. ☝︎

asciilifeform: (or nsa, which, for the purpose of this discussion, is a variant of chinese)

asciilifeform: if you aren't chinese, whatever hardware it is you now use is YEARS out of date.

asciilifeform: if you know how.

asciilifeform: can also buy wampum and beads and resell to bagholders

asciilifeform: that ain't mining

asciilifeform: even in 'flat rate' dc.

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: afaik all of the hardware ~publicly~ sold today, is squarely -ev.

asciilifeform: but dun hold yer breath waiting for it.

asciilifeform: trinque: if one day someone controls serious % of hash rate, and wishes to prove it publicly right here - you will be right, and i - wrong.

asciilifeform: it is only a question of who the chump is in a given operation.

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: mining is -EV and therefore necessarily entails scamming.

asciilifeform: but this is not quite same thing.

asciilifeform: you ~could~ find someone who will 'i speak for the trees! for the trees, have no tongues!'

asciilifeform: you cannot talk to pond scum. they dun have names, or identities.

asciilifeform: anyway i am not convinced that it is possible to actually talk to a miner.

asciilifeform: and real meta-miners use ???.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu will helpfully remind us that this is not a REAL miner

asciilifeform: and he writes back that he uses prb,

asciilifeform: eh if we write to some chinese bloke (and is there a known miner in the WOT? afaik there is not, nor any reason to ever expect there to be),

asciilifeform: it was not remarkable.

asciilifeform: trinque: i wrote an fpga thing, long ago.

asciilifeform: that's the issue, aha

asciilifeform: this can end IMMEDIATELY if, say, we had a mining op.

asciilifeform: there is idiot miners colluding to narrow the protocol in arbitrary ways

asciilifeform: there is, as the moral of this thread in fact is, ~no such thing~ as 'softfork'

asciilifeform: 'i won't mine this because i dun like the colour of its shoes'

asciilifeform: esp. with regards to pissing on PERFECTLY VALID tx

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i have nfi how mtgox could have 'forced miners' to anything whatsoever.

asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=0.10.0#0722 << still quite the same in prb 10 !! ☟︎

asciilifeform: until someone deigns to repaint it

asciilifeform: it is about miners spitting on a perfectly valid, per trb rules, tx

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: mno

asciilifeform: ~0 hashrate behind 100%-everything-trb-will-happily-eat protocol breadth

asciilifeform: same deal as for high-S

asciilifeform: thing is, you won't see 'break' unless a miner cooperates

asciilifeform: see the high-S case.

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what EXTANT miners CHOOSE to mine, and what COULD be mined, if there were sane folks mining, are quite distinct things. ☟︎

asciilifeform also finds it interesting that the locktime nonsense is checked prior to testing the ins

asciilifeform: but notice, never as a consequence of locktime.

asciilifeform: well yes, if input is nonfinal.

asciilifeform: for fucks sake.

asciilifeform: IsFinal NEVER RETURNS FALSE

asciilifeform: and if not ?

asciilifeform: i could spoil the 'surprise', but why.

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: read the linked routine. is this the actual effect ?

asciilifeform: this garbage is not in bitcoin.

asciilifeform: '0 occurences found.'

asciilifeform: and guess what else, http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/search?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option&_filestring=&_string=OP_CLTV

asciilifeform: do i have to draw the picture here ?

asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0444 ☟︎

asciilifeform: so long as trb node accepts a hypothetical block as valid, it is mineable.

asciilifeform: no, i ask, ~who won't mine~

asciilifeform: who's 'it' ?

asciilifeform: iirc traditional bitcoin doesn't actually enforce locktimes.

asciilifeform: 'physical bitcoin', as recently discussed, was/is a clunky, orcish version of this same thing.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-13#920112 << thread. ☝︎