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asciilifeform: for no especially good reason other than that i felt like it, and mircea_popescu saw it fit to supply a machine (via subcontractor) out of his own (for now) pocket
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 19:48:13; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu potentially interesting observation: dulap has been ~50 blocks behind semi-permanently since reboot. in as far as i can tell, it is not mainly from 'blackholing' but due to cpu starvation! on account of phuctor re-grinding the product...!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1256010 << if you specify what exactly ought to be measured, i might be able to do it ☝︎
punkman: I might work on part2 this week
mod6: punkman: naw, i haevn't had a chance yet. i'll get to it though, it's on my list.
danielpbarron: Bitcoin version 0.5.4-beta << I'm currently running this, made with the rotor instructions
mod6: yup, that's required on every system that i've encountered when built with the `rotor'.
mod6: i'll put that in there. "Linux Mint, 13-14ish." :P
danielpbarron: i made a binary but i didn't execute it
mod6: ;;later tell danielpbarron You did test out rotor w/TEST2 or stator this month right? Or did I mis-remember that?
trinque: I could run over all previous records at some long-ish interval and see whether that occurred, update db accordingly.
trinque: punkman: I have not handled that case. As I understand it, transactions would then go back into the mempool for inclusion in a subsequent block.
mod6: chettty & mircea_popescu: btw, eulora seems to be functioning well since changes. although, i don't use any automation in there. just good ole hard rock minin' by hand. with a mule^H^H^H^Himproved pickaxe.
mod6: i guess i do remember this now.
mod6: punkman: hey! glad i asked. thanks :]
punkman: mod6: I tested stator on Mint. didn't leave it running for full sync though
jurov: no i was too busy and then on afk vacation
mod6: ;;later tell jurov You did test out rotor w/TEST2 or stator this month right? Or did I mis-remember that?
mod6: ;;later tell punkman You did test out rotor w/TEST2 or stator this month right? Or did I mis-remember that?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i read it b4. iirc we had it in chan even
mod6: ;;later tell davout You did test out rotor w/TEST2 or stator this month right? Or did I mis-remember that? ☟︎
asciilifeform: since we're on the subject, i do not regard it as a proven fact that schwartz tied the rope by himself
asciilifeform: i see the ulbricht plea, and schrodinger's, etc. as similar
phf: bakunin has equally shameful confessions written to nicholas i
asciilifeform: i suspect that folks who are child prodigies at programming people (esp. programming the female of the species) do not usually end up having the patience to seriously deal with machines
ben_vulpes: i do not get the 'non serviam' routine. we all serve the khan.
phf: sure, korolev was tested by that limit, and i'm not in his position, so i can't say "сука буду i've offed myself", but when the choice is between doing csv and sexp for a customer..
trinque: mod6: I LIKE GREEN OK?
phf: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: take me to this planet of 'healthy relationships.' << i am equally confused by this position. non serviam doesn't necessarily need to translate to its extreme expression. if you're that figured out how to push the lever, i think the last option that you can possibly have is to keep pushing the lever for others. once you accept it to its logical conclusion, are you not free to do as you please?
ben_vulpes: 0K, i mean.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6 et al: http://dpaste.com/1PHPHRE.txt << ok thanks, I can just point at the deedbot submission then.
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 00:18:24; asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
trinque: I gotta run for a bit unfortunately.
asciilifeform: 'i want the boldface, italics, and cat pictures retained !!!1111'
punkman: on a similar note, customer asks for mongodb, but "I used sqlite because you are retarded"
mod6: I'm currently working on the SoBA to close out the month, would like to point at the vdiff.sh that creats w/o timestamps in the document. Only reason that I bring it up. Thanks for taking a look. Wasn't sure if I missed it somehow.
asciilifeform: and you know ~exactly~ what i mean
phf: i think gnu awk closes implicitly but a bsd one keeps the fd's open and eventually runs into open file limits
punkman: asciilifeform: trinque: go and sell 'it' if it doesn't read&write microshit excel format. i'll watch. << I've written lots of these, it's called .csv
phf: by the way that script above needs a close i.e. ... if (s) { close(s); ...
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 19:35:24; asciilifeform: i mean, why would i want to do ~any~ per-user work in distributing something ~for free~ ?!
asciilifeform: mod6 is right, i think
mod6: bah, well disregard the above -- as this came from my orc.sh script with escaped shell vars, but you get the point i think.
mod6: so i see, obv., the one that was submitted with The Full Orchestra, but i don't see your updated one that looks like:
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255852 << i will let mircea_popescu explain himself, by himself, but iirc this thread began long ago with the mention of an infamous paper, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/codemonkey.pdf (mirror) ☝︎
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu potentially interesting observation: dulap has been ~50 blocks behind semi-permanently since reboot. in as far as i can tell, it is not mainly from 'blackholing' but due to cpu starvation! on account of phuctor re-grinding the product...! ☟︎
trinque: right, you're a scientist. meanwhile I'd love to have the market on traffic cones cornered.
trinque: and it farts out reports I give to my accountant
trinque: just "I can count all my damn beakless chickens" and so on
asciilifeform: trinque: go and sell 'it' if it doesn't read&write microshit excel format. i'll watch.
trinque: I could see a scheme where you make a general solution to that problem which you do not sell.
phf: there's greenblatt, tom knight, david moon, daniel weinreb, guy steele, peter norvig, abelson&sussman, jack holloway. stallman and minsky. not to mention cracauer, eller, fahlman, maclachlan, rme, ron garret of the later people that i know of, tons of people i'm forgetting.
phf: graham and naggum are probably not the best examples of lispers. graham wrote cgi scripts for clisp in vi and had unhealthy obsession with macros, did a web startup and sold it at the right time. naggum if he was a little bit dumber would've just been a kook, considering his completely insane angry rants. (and i learned a lot from naggum, but i don't think the manner of his death was a surprise)
asciilifeform: and as i gather, most of the folks involved on anything but the ultra-successful 'lottery winner' end of it, want out.
trinque: well, that seems to be the only way to amass the capital to do interesting things, at least from where I sit.
asciilifeform: if there is, ~i~ certainly am not blessed with the gift of crapping it out
asciilifeform: i mean, why would i want to do ~any~ per-user work in distributing something ~for free~ ?! ☟︎
ben_vulpes: regarding the "may i" spamola, you could issue a license to a trivially-generated pubkey.
asciilifeform: ~i~ don't have time to sit and issue 'licenses' to 10,000,000 schmucks
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is asking for mountains of 'mother may i' spamola
asciilifeform: i recently thought of an equally-ceremonial 'software license'. would go roughly like this,
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i also can't help but laugh a bit at the phrase 'modern nixy proggies' - we're sorta stuck in 1968 state of the art...
ben_vulpes: myeah, i can see that. how would it have handled modern nixy proggies?
gernika: mircea_popescu can I snag a eulora account?
asciilifeform: (and today from 'isis', though it is difficult from where i stand to get anything like an honest picture of the latter)
asciilifeform: i mean, i get it, mircea_popescu is with limonov in respecting the anonymous but honorable 'blatnoi' scum over korolev, who created modern rocketry while - yes - a slave
mircea_popescu: so no : i am not rawl's "any other man" and so very much less am i some derp's three dozen chimps.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can conduct an experiment where i get together six poor africans, who then proceed to get drunk and be stupid, and say "lo! this is man" and you'll say "gtfo these niggers out of hewre, they're unrepresentative".
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 00:18:24; asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
phf: i have a very romantic view of guilds then, more like b-a, less then hacker news, but then i grew up on romantic literature
phf: i thought esotericism and knowledge guilds is how it was done until quite recently?
asciilifeform: but if i had to hazard a guess, it is because 1) it was great 2) not his
mircea_popescu: so i have.
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 17:33:16; ben_vulpes: when i go full scammatronics vc bezzle the office campus will be navigated with 'solowheel' 'orbits'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255554 << from what i've been told, the common problem of all 'handlebar-less segway' machines is the muscle strain from the constant effort involved in not falling off the thing while tilting it to steer ☝︎
trinque: lol, I'd assumed the book was published somewhere with a sense of humor
phf: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255201 << is that soft pr0n on his monitor ? << yes, i didn't actually notice until i posted, probably a 2ch gag ☝︎
asciilifeform: so i ended up thinking 'if i'm stuck with a $maxint system where i can't hold a conversation with civilians because no one else has the runtime, may as well requisition 'mathematica'...' - so i did
asciilifeform: what i ended up getting was slow-as-molasses, almost microshitesque experience
asciilifeform: trinque: i more or less broke my brain against the wall years ago trying to make clim run decently under modern unixen
trinque: and I've postponed working on that thinger indefinitely, reviewing the literature :p
ben_vulpes: well until trinque writes his database-inspecting UI generator, i'm stuck building machines that write software to extract data from databases and render it and manipulatory widgets for it.
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 17:44:04; ben_vulpes: regarding graham, the focus on macros in his (published) work puts me off a bit. "look at the monstrous edifice of complexity i can hold within my mind!" instead of "look at this useful and easily fit-into-head thing i made".
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255542 <<< i did say this, many times ☝︎
mircea_popescu: if i want you to set a vector to "4" do i mean 4.0, 4.0, 4.0 ? do i mean 4.0, 0.0, 0.0 ie the 1st invariant ? do i mean 4.0, 1.0, 1.0 ie the 2nd invariant ? do i simply mean 4.0, normal, normal ? what normal ?
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 17:24:20; trinque: I have no idea who thought these emacs "chords" were a good thing, but fuck that person
mircea_popescu: seems to me by the time i dun know anymore how to fill the something with water i have a problem more serious in there.
ben_vulpes: regarding graham, the focus on macros in his (published) work puts me off a bit. "look at the monstrous edifice of complexity i can hold within my mind!" instead of "look at this useful and easily fit-into-head thing i made". ☟︎
ben_vulpes: when i go full scammatronics vc bezzle the office campus will be navigated with 'solowheel' 'orbits' ☟︎
trinque: ben_vulpes: not really a speedup; I've just moved common emacs operations towards the middle of the keyboard
trinque: just a matter of staying off the modifier keys; I use space as leader and various sequences of keys from there, usually involving index and middle fingers
trinque: I enjoy the use of my hands
ben_vulpes: trinque: if i actually wrote code, i'd be more inclined to use evil.
trinque: I have no idea who thought these emacs "chords" were a good thing, but fuck that person ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and i do make some MINIMAL adnotations.
trinque: I use evil in emacs for this very reason
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 14:21:49; mircea_popescu: and re vi - whatever!!1 i used it for years. nowadays i find i mostly use nano. then again nowadays i mostly read other people's reports.
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 12:16:01; mats: http://www.gliderzz.com I have been seeing these around a lot lately
trinque: I suppose its obvious, but it points to an inherent conflict between the sexes.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the standard is "someone"