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lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-12-12#1955096 << ty for going into more detail on this btw. This makes a lot of sense now
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: It seems the Tories have enough of a fracture within their ranks that there's a Torry for most every Labor voter to prefer.
BingoBoingo: It was hard for me to think much about the time this one took. Was too busy reminding myself Parkinsons is a resting tremor as the dude used a straight razor and comb instead of scissors.
diana_coman: I tend to stress them out by taking a book with me, but I still resent-the-fucking-time-it-takes.
mp_en_viaje: gotta find a gay dude.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Not a single action on his part suggested anything informed by theory. Strict application of method as informed by practice.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-01-28 00:58:37 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other chicks can code moments, "I earned my degree and license in cosmetology and had a horrible career as a hair dresser that I ended in 2015 due to social anxiety. I still love hair theory, and I even really enjoy working on people with whom I share a close relationship, but now I'm in pursuit of a new path."
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Just got back from getting my hair cut by the fossil who owns the joint. Probably my best haircut ever. Intense experience as the fellow with a resting parkisons tremor made copious use of the straight razor.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, imho, the old guys getting a steak and their kids and grandkids getting thrown out into the street is minimal justice in south america. in fact, i'd much prefer they were handled by albigensian crusade 2, kicked ~out of town~ not merely in the street ; and literally nude.
mp_en_viaje: so now there's a table of sluts in the restaurant donning naught but their robes.
BingoBoingo: What dreams do the 75+ set have that a loan enables rather than destroys? Probably a couple extra kilos of Asado de tira before they pass and the bank takes the house out from under the kids and grandkids who've not lived anywhere else.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-12 12:33:53 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: In the very lulzy leaving a mess on the way out files: The "Banco Republica" has lines around their main branch composed of local old retired and pensioned derps applying for "un Prestamo de tus sueños"
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-12#1955128 << i suppose a very defensively limited item like that may well work, why not.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: In the very lulzy leaving a mess on the way out files: The "Banco Republica" has lines around their main branch composed of local old retired and pensioned derps applying for "un Prestamo de tus sueños"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-12 09:36:02 dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-12#1955110 << I'm thinking to keep it simple along the lines of : 1) register a key, 2) install a V, 3) maintain a blog where you : a) maintain a code shelf , b) publlish your work plans , c) publish articles for context on your vpatches, 4) maintain an irc connection to converse with people (point out '6 months' reading the log is recommended for
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-12#1955124 << You can probably call that "requirements" or "how to contribute" but the label "qualifications" seems like a poor match for describing those active processes.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-12#1955099 << Well the 22nd amendment to the Consitution does give a 10 year total limit to presidenting, but... Insane common law jurisdiction where everything is made up as they go while further burdened by the weight of all English history to boot. Not out of the realm of possibility impeachment could be taken as nullifying his first term.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-12 05:49:54 mp_en_viaje: contrariwise, items 2 and 3 on that same list are quite needed ; 2 needn't be even usable as such, its importance is in getting that tree going, even if not one line of a genesis survives it in the final press nevertheless the tree wouldn't have existed without ; 3 is definitely the sort of key element we've been sorely neglecting to date.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-12#1955110 << I'm thinking to keep it simple along the lines of : 1) register a key, 2) install a V, 3) maintain a blog where you : a) maintain a code shelf , b) publlish your work plans , c) publish articles for context on your vpatches, 4) maintain an irc connection to converse with people (point out '6 months' reading the log is recommended for
mp_en_viaje: contrariwise, items 2 and 3 on that same list are quite needed ; 2 needn't be even usable as such, its importance is in getting that tree going, even if not one line of a genesis survives it in the final press nevertheless the tree wouldn't have existed without ; 3 is definitely the sort of key element we've been sorely neglecting to date.
mp_en_viaje: various things are relegated to a large warehouse of "nfi, we'll figure it out later" because they appear unmistakably humongous, and we're not so well satisfied they actually have to be done. so they wait -- this is what time does, if nothing else : it'll always resolve the "did it have to be done ?" quandary.
mp_en_viaje: there's some humongo tasks around here because nobody gives so much of a shit how big it is, if it has to be done. but IF. if. if it HAS TO BE done, then yes. not otherwise, the converse doesn't work, just because something's a humongous pile of comparable humongocity doesn't make it a republican task -- the criteria's the has to be done.
mp_en_viaje: the first imperative of management is "don't get in people's way". like the doctor's "firstly, don't harm", exactly. fail everything else but hold that up, you'll be a fine manager ; fuck that up nothing else you do can bring you above water.
mp_en_viaje: maybe the dude asks you a question. then you answer it. that's what you do. you don't go chasing about the street with pre-answers to questions nobody's asked yet ; if the guy asks whether he's qualified he probably isn't, which is not the end of the world, you're not qualified either. what the fuck qualification exam did i pass, per accidens & pro tempore's not a collegiate degree. this isn't homogenochina we're trying to reproduce here,
mp_en_viaje: do you tell him to get a job ? do less drugs ? find some real shoes ? sure, why not. does that amount to "oh and also you're not qualified to help" ? why the fuck should you care enough to get yourself in people's way ? let them be, it's their life. he'll write it or not, defend it or not, it'll get accepted or not, used or not, which part of this is your problem ?
mp_en_viaje: if a beach bum walks into an internet cafe in indochina, ramen bowl in one hand and a found copy of eat, pray, love in the other, makes himself a key on keybase and offers to write a better garbage collector for you, you... what do you do ?
mp_en_viaje: if, and look what a large if that is, you ever find yourself in the situation where there's two entities trying to solve the same problem and you absolutely must pick one, then you pick one. THEN. not fucking now, so far you're stuck with a trillion cubic miles of sky and like half a delta wing, they won't even ~meet~ unless you specifically direct them at each other.
mp_en_viaje: let it be, you don't care. you needn't care. you should not care. carelessness is a legitimate management technique, because wovon [man nicht sprechen kann] is a legitimate philosophical stance.
mp_en_viaje: apparently it's "your dedication's endearing" day in the republic. anyways, my man mode d : i get it, you're a serious and dedicated fellow, and you mean to do right by this sudden and immense pile fallen one day upon your head. good!
mp_en_viaje: e what to link here ; if only I were to somehow know months ago when I decided not to that months later in a discussion of women I'd have liked to have the reference. Yet I couldn't have known such a thing. Neither can you. Ever. And so instead of spending those twenty mintues there I spent five writing this note and fifteen fishing through the internets trying to identify which fucking bad film it was in the first place."
mp_en_viaje: "I never bothered to review Love Liza because it's a shitty movie ; nevertheless shitty as it was it'd have provided an anchor for today's reference. The reason I write down this note is precisely to underscore as thickly as humanly possible this most important point : that you are in no position to judge what's not worth doing. Because the future is uncertain. It would have been worth doing, all 20 minutes it'd have taken me, so as to hav
mp_en_viaje: in general though, that's the overarching point, gotta separate usage and confidence as a required ingredient of maturation.
mp_en_viaje: so how about instead of trying to shoehorn sql into supporting your idealism, you just "<a href=http://trilema.com/2016/poor-women/>bang python like a cheap whore</a>. use it, but ~don't expect~ it knows what to do with ifs ; give it tasks, but short and narrow, measurable and ~do not confide in it~. let it write against apache, not import its flask, let her do the dishes not invite her mother over to stay.
mp_en_viaje: this ~purely imaginary~ purity is the very problem ; maintaining it while ditching python's specifically keeping the devil while burning the totem. ~the very expectation~ that the world works a certain way, "cleanly" in this manner, the hallucination that it's always okay to find fleas in cottage cheese and knots in the reeds is why all this is problematic to begin with.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 23:24:41 lobbes: In other plans, I'm aiming to take a more treacherous approach to coding the auto-bidding for auctionbot. I figure I can handle the majority sans-python, and instead simply leverage the postgres db it sits on (i.e. listen for insert into bid table, execute some postgres functions, spit results into outbox table, done). I'll mak
mp_en_viaje: this is a naive point of view, of the same nature as "all politicians are dubious so i don't vote" or "i've yet to meet a pure hearted maiden thus i have no truck with girls".
lobbes: In other plans, I'm aiming to take a more treacherous approach to coding the auto-bidding for auctionbot. I figure I can handle the majority sans-python, and instead simply leverage the postgres db it sits on (i.e. listen for insert into bid table, execute some postgres functions, spit results into outbox table, done). I'll make an article of what I come
BingoBoingo: I'm guessing 'Portland Yazidis' will be a sorta budget substitute for the real thing?
mp_en_viaje: i guess im putting some bitcoin aside for when they start selling portland "yazidi" girls in a few years ?
BingoBoingo: In very Uruguay things, an Asado related incident has lead to a relatively large wildfire in Rocha which is leading to closure of some of the few roads up that way. What a way to start tourist season.
dorion_road: transacting bitcoin, e.g. deploying a node, key generation, etc.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:37:25 trinque: so dorion_road, is the idea that there's a tmsr stack upon which what, systems are built for these folks holding piles of database money?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:39:12 trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:13:36 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954813 << they're doing a consulting gig, it's somewhat detailed on his blog, he even has a business plan / some description of actual sales activity in there.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 03:56:53 trinque: but gentoo's a piece of shit. if it's not apparent why, I'll definitely have to say why.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 22:27:34 trinque: I'm going to write something on why eating a product of socialists is stupid, and if we must eat shit, eating the least shit is the move.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 22:34:51 trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
dorion_road: trinque mind clarifying which you mean though ? the article about trying out Gales and offering critque or on why eating a product of socialists is stupid ?
BingoBoingo: That is a very live possibility.
BingoBoingo: There's a discussion here in the planetary context http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-fix-global-warming/#footnote_0_70733
mp_en_viaje: yueah but this was a belabouredly explicit explanation of how all serious threats are positive feedback loops. iirc was in a medical context
mp_en_viaje: i dunno, sometimes i think 2018 was spent doing a LOT of drugs, i can remember it like hippies can remember the 60s
diana_coman: it didn't seem like it because it's a statement, not an explanation really; onth it doesn't link it either and supposedly it should, if it can be found and so on.
mp_en_viaje: a yes! that's it ty
BingoBoingo: Explicitly mentioned here as a classical failure mode
mp_en_viaje: there's a trilema somewhere explaioning how positive feedback loops are the only dangerous thing in nature, but...
dorion_road: python primarily comes up due to portage. Gales uses a shell script based package manager, so the point about bash will get further practical consideration as that gets explored.
mp_en_viaje: i am not proposing bash is good ; but i made a point of it in that context because i believe it is in this respect opposite. it has all the ills naggum finds it, yes, but it does not have that one thing that produces pete dushenskis out of otherwise promising young men.
mp_en_viaje: no, python is a tool built so as to permit the unready to write very bad code.
mp_en_viaje: the problem with this argument of course is that it can be applied quite well to A LOT of the things we use ; most notably c++. but it's at the core, i suspect, if unexpressed, of why nobody ever pushed for say c#.
mp_en_viaje: my objection is that foremost and before being any other thing, python is a tool for the wilfully stupid.
mp_en_viaje: this having progressed unchecked for lo these many years, the principal problem of the republic is dealing with organized stupidity. this is a lot like any other cleaning job, because yes there's no difference between the filth that supports vermin infestations and the "collective action" that supports the marauding idiots.
mp_en_viaje: now, people as a particular class of living things are perverse (this is called "intelligence" in pantsuit gospels), meaning they also have a recursion built in there.
dorion_road: good question. the problem of maintaining a hierarchy of indivdual agents.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 19:25:02 mp_en_viaje: anyways, i have serious reservations about anything-python. it's the first time for me, i never thought before a lang is basically the satan ; but it seems to me anything derived off python's going to be stupid, for that reason.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 19:08:15 mp_en_viaje: if trinque fails to work within the framework (which yes, DOES mean jan 15th is a firm deadline, not because you made it so or could, but because i can, and do), and nobody gives a shit about cuntoo, everything that was thereby lost is upon trinque to pay.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 19:07:06 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954750 << to be perfectly clear, i'm not at all inclined to lend support to this sort of misbehaviour. young man has no excuse to act like a cunt, "oh, hurr durr, LET OTHER PEOPLE". by and large, if he's not here to work his shit, nobody cares about his shit.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 03:11:06 mp_en_viaje: ha, that's a point huh.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1954926 << I imagine a bit of both are at play.
mp_en_viaje: i suppose i should prolly write a proper article about this, seems it's unhelpfully all over the logs ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 04:06:31 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : hey trinque, now that there's actually multiple functional castles the time's prolly come to update the deedbot voice model into awareness of this situation. so how about a patch making voice in #trilema dependent on ~my~ wot, rather than deedbot's own ; and similarily in any castles that ask for it / you come to an understanding with the lords thereof, so they can use the voice model there if the
mp_en_viaje: iirc that was discussed re flexibility for ~other~ chans, which is how the 9 came about, "just don't rate people 9 if you don't want a l1/l2 in your chan"
mp_en_viaje: what a can of worms
diana_coman: alternatively I suppose the !!up could be perhaps permanent ie until a !!down
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I don't mind it or anything; tbh only the other day I had a look at the list of names and picked RubenSomsen to pm & he got at least in #ossasepia, presumably still reading now through the mountain of links he ended up hit with.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, http://thesingingfarmwife.blogspot.com/2015/05/dingleberry-duty.html << here, have a "could be worse"
mp_en_viaje: so specifically trinque is this feasible iyo ? and everyone else also, is an hour too short a time ? other comments ?
mp_en_viaje: this'll prolly need management in the sense that i suspect the banlist is limited, so after a few of these it'd be stuck expiring the oldest ban to enact a new one, meaning it'll need a round buffer of them.
mp_en_viaje: so what i'm thinking is, what if deedbot set a ban on any nick it sees unvoiced for >1hr, setting the forward channel alternatively #ossasepia and #trilema-hanbot on it ?
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in linear improvements : i'm thinking of setting up #trilema to forward the useless / idle / etcetera to the feeder chans. apparently freenode has support for this, in that in setting a ban one can also specify a channel wherein the banned to be dumped.
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-15 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-14#1006282 - heh, how long until they register a key and find their way in here?
mp_en_viaje: ha, that's a point huh.
jfw: mp_en_viaje: thanks for those blog comments btw, looking forward to a proper read + catching up on the juicy looking log here in the coming days. I see dorion_road's and my venture was discussed just above; I'll give him the first word as I believe he's more up to date here.
trinque: at any rate, folks that are handling money overseas for clients are obviously a target.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954818 << this "he doesn't need you" thing is such nonsense. i also don't need any other of the things, what the hell, since when it's a needs-based economy.
trinque: it's a start.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, that's what they seem to be doing, "here's the hardware, here's the mental floss slash bible, here's the daily prayers rules regulation and prayerbook", a complete package like that.
mp_en_viaje: trinque, do you recall that time asciilifeform couldn't get a ro lawyer to talk to him over gpg ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:42:43 trinque: and a found item with TMSR chizeled in it is not thereby owned
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954816 << you know, my slaves meet the "found item, chiseled". not thereby owned ? or is it animism magic, "rule only applies to non-sluts" ? this'll be a hard argument, objectification of women and all that.
trinque: so dorion_road, is the idea that there's a tmsr stack upon which what, systems are built for these folks holding piles of database money?
mp_en_viaje: o look at that, the only google reference is... a trilema piece. god help us, it's true mp will always return a "wait, what ?!" moment, but...
mp_en_viaje: the nile also flooded every year, in a regular process that seemed to most everyone, certainly everyone in the ancient world, fundamental. yet it wasn't fundamental ; i twasn't even self-perpetuating. as it turns out, the nile's stopped flooding altogether, it's been decades.
mp_en_viaje: notwithstanding it managed to do so for a shocking century.
mp_en_viaje: not a point of my success ; the point is -- yes i'm aware texas oil money is rather... ok, your term, dipshits.
mp_en_viaje: contrary to the pantsuit fantasy, "this is everywhere" does not hold. there's a lot of power to be put behind the "you're fucking stupid, amerikanski" in very simple exemplar form.
mp_en_viaje: yes, but meanwhile i had an exceptional aged steak yest, and then retired for a glass of port, coffee, sweets and a cigarette. you understsnd this, if i ask for an ashtrey at this poshest place in town, THEY FUCKING BRING ME ONE.
trinque: the oil folks are all dipshits, and the fraud's a feature. they don't want it.
mp_en_viaje: whether it ends up working or not, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954814 is however not a fair description of what's going on.
mp_en_viaje: "soo... well done on the 50mn exit. now, why are you at walmart with a credit card, in the same outfit as the single mother over there with her govt-issued scrip ? you know the same social worker can cut your access that gives her the electronic meal ticket, yes ?"