asciilifeform: mats: i think at this point he has an emacs macro that craps this string out, or sumthing

asciilifeform: znort987: kako, notably, said nothing publicly.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes probably has one ^ .

asciilifeform: ^ not quite done

asciilifeform: meanwhile, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/control.jpg

asciilifeform: $up znort987

asciilifeform: phf: neato

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i thought ~whole point was the spam filter.

asciilifeform: phf: ever read my ancient piece - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 ?

asciilifeform: phf: same

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: ah ty phf .

asciilifeform: (in the latter case - can haz context ?)

asciilifeform: phf et al: did i ~and~ the log somehow get netsplit, and miss a thread, or is the hawala thing a continuation of pm or whatever

asciilifeform: covertress: what does this question even mean? believe-in as a place to which you can walk in, via some yet-undiscovered magic door ?

asciilifeform: didjaknow this was possible.

asciilifeform: and holy shit, i broke a chinese centerpunch.

asciilifeform: set up, if you like, the huffman table.

asciilifeform: well sorta why they invented language, to explain the symbols with.

asciilifeform: ever meet somebody with hilariously 'wrong' chinese tattoo ?

asciilifeform: 'it said right on the box...'!

asciilifeform pictures scene, nearly falls down

asciilifeform: whereas food with melamine mixed in is labeled 'food' not 'die slowly'

asciilifeform: hey krok does exactly what is printed on the box.

asciilifeform: e.g., considerably less reluctant to sell you product that will actually slowly kill you.

asciilifeform: i am familiar with some of the ways in which 'stranger.'

asciilifeform: ^ atrocious and nearly indecipherable 'dictionary translation'

asciilifeform: https://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/pages/russians.html

asciilifeform: hm

asciilifeform: $s when you care enough to steal the very best

asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu is familiar with the process. and output.

asciilifeform: thing is, i know a bit about orcish 'ip theft' business, father spent most of his life doing just it.

asciilifeform: yes.

asciilifeform: but so far know of no signs of impending death.

asciilifeform: this is the thing i'd dearly like to see die

asciilifeform: not to mention pulling in a multi-GB closed turdball x86 toolchain.

asciilifeform: but the cost is - using american design. which is subtly braindamaged in 1,001 ways, not all of them even deliberate.

asciilifeform: they already pay 0 license (in most cases, there are idiots in china also)

asciilifeform: the sheer 'lock-in' of the niche, is mind-boggling to the uninitiated

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to briefly revisit thread, one interesting tidbit you might not know about 'hardcopy fpga' is that it stands on same toolchain as the respective vendor's 'ordinary' fpga (on which one prototypes for the 'hard' variant.)

asciilifeform: and that.

asciilifeform: why not also this.

asciilifeform: hey, if they can also ignore chinese subs having rocket target practice off california beach, in sight of tourists

asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-23#891851 << thread, for whoever missed ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: recall the ftdi incident ?

asciilifeform: other trend is that quite soon no one will want american design, stolen or not.

asciilifeform: it was pretty easy earlier.

asciilifeform: this ^ even i can see, and i am 'management expert' like i am concert violinist.

asciilifeform: my chinese contention was about ~current~ markets.

asciilifeform: recall, i ~like~ fpga, and if it were my will, it would be the only logic chip produced, and anyone who 'needs' ddr3 clock can get phucked

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: (in fact it was the example i gave in the original thread concerning it, re a 'final solution' to subj.)

asciilifeform: the real 'killer app' of fpga is 'specificity of diddling'

asciilifeform: fpga is quite like the semiconductor equiv. of '3d printer'.

asciilifeform: none of this, i thought, is controversial.

asciilifeform: other point was that it is quite rare to see fpga deployed in mass produced product, because it has inescapably large per-unit cost compared to classical asic. it makes economic sense for small runs (<100,000) and for items which actually need the reconfigurability.

asciilifeform: point was not 'it is rubbish', but that you cannot build, e.g., trinary comp, with it.

asciilifeform: anyway metal fpga is great, i'll take ten right now if it's a dime.

asciilifeform: lel so when asciilifeform nails an item years in advance, he is 'out of character' aha.

asciilifeform: it is in the l0gz.

asciilifeform: hey i actually nailed that prediction

asciilifeform: largely used for, or so all of the available clues suggest - deep-packet inspection iron.

asciilifeform: re fpga, largest buyer (not a mega-seekrit) is usg.

asciilifeform: presently looking to see exactly ~whose~, the part is new.

asciilifeform: it is largely used inside larger laser, as pump.

asciilifeform: re fpga.

asciilifeform: yes.

asciilifeform: well i have the elementary clue re what device is used for, who buys, where it is a physico-economical win and where - not, etc.

asciilifeform: i need moar lsd or wat.

asciilifeform: but somehow still asciilifeform 'spouts nonsense' and mircea_popescu 'has clue' ?

asciilifeform: or even so much as bought 1 unit of fpga, and designed whatever, helloworld.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu operates foundry ?

asciilifeform: thing is that i actually have a clue here.

asciilifeform: just a sov-style copy of the silicon.

asciilifeform: of the kind we might find interesting.

asciilifeform: this implies ~0 logical reversing.

asciilifeform: and if it were, they are happy to clone xilinx and ship pirate copy of the binary turdchain with it.

asciilifeform: it isn't a mass-market item.

asciilifeform: chinese have 0 incentive to sell fpga.

asciilifeform: we had this thread.

asciilifeform: (intel bought, and is killing, altera)

asciilifeform: there is less now, rather than more, than decade ago

asciilifeform: and designer is asked to pay 'license' for EACH.

asciilifeform: ever see manual for, e.g., xilinx fpga? it is simply a mass of these turds.

asciilifeform: unless vendor supplied a 'ddr module'. ditto pci, unless 'pci module'. etc.

asciilifeform: you still can't meet ddr timing spec with it.

asciilifeform: think 'bunch of misc. logical units, adders, shifters, etc. with plugboard' and you're 99% there.

asciilifeform: just with hard wires instead of LUTs.

asciilifeform: because it is in fact fpga.

asciilifeform: thing is, you get the clock rate of fpga. and same energy consumption. (~same propagation delays).

asciilifeform: and is in fact what, until recently, was sold as 'miner asic'.

asciilifeform: it is ancient tech.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my 1986 symbolics 3620 was made out of this.

asciilifeform: $s hardcopy fpga

asciilifeform: expect to see it at your friendly local 3dprinterist, makemagazine, kickstartertronic, 'THE BEOBLE can MAEK anything!111' convention.

asciilifeform: in other noose, a new ( to me at least ) type of scamola : http://www.sifive.com << metallization mask level (minor tweaks to EXISTING design) thing, which dates to the late 1980s even, fraudulently being pushed now as 'custom silicon for all', lulzy.

asciilifeform: definitely saw this very same item 2 or so wks ago.

asciilifeform: hm

asciilifeform: $s http://67.media.tumblr.com/e9aaef655de4fdd1acb633b5da3088e7/tumblr_n37638gj1x1sitnino1_500.gif

asciilifeform: ^ rerun!!