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asciilifeform: dunno that 'isms' play into it. it's a firmware call, 'pet chix dismembered in front of you ? banzai'
mircea_popescu: i expect most didn't even know why the fuck they're there.
mircea_popescu: well, judging by the fact that it was socialist war not imperial (as the historical term) war, i would conjecture the latter.
asciilifeform: based on the type of man that at the time existed, and ~came out~ of the war -- i would conjecture : the former. rather than 'for her demoocracy'
mircea_popescu: and in turn neither can i.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unfortunately i can't answer this, my ouijatron is broken...
mircea_popescu: ie, were they nazi or weren't they ?
mircea_popescu: this is a subtle matter. did they banzai "because such world as it is not worth my time" or did they "because her world must be defended!"
asciilifeform: in mircea_popescu's cosmography, the folx who banzai'd to avenge the chix , castrato ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notice the "baieti", "boys"
mircea_popescu: now THAT is a fine fucking example of a problem you don't want to ever have : when your problems are resolvable by whining it's not unlike when your washing is resolved by the ocean : you're fucked.
mircea_popescu: problem with uteration is that it depends on castration.h
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 17:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: stalin, supposedly, once said to his friends, 'history divides into three eras, matriarchate, patriarchate, and secretariate'
asciilifeform: ( in the spirit of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672530 ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "i shouldn't have to strip to get an A, i shouldn't have to suck cock to get a job, i shouldn't have to fuck the customer to keep it, i shouldn't have to..."
asciilifeform: that last one , refers to 'HULP, i'ma gurl, fix this..'
mircea_popescu: go to teacher/boss/great inca and say "this is an alien problem" meaning, "you gods shouldn';t have made the maze so long for me, the rat"
mircea_popescu: well, suppose under-30 chickie runs into problem. what avenues of resolution are open to her ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 16:38 mircea_popescu: but since we're doing retrospective trilemas, here's an item by way of example : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SXexf/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 14:53 asciilifeform: 'hardware isn't easy to build therefore couldn't possibly be necessary, the gods would not have made this level so hard, for me, the hero' or similar.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763687 << the example used notwithstanding, i suspect this is a large portion of what goes on in, eg, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763821 "minds". ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: and we're discussing here things such as athletic events (which yes, naked boys).
mircea_popescu: no, i know girl that thinks this is odd.
asciilifeform: notice how most drawn human figures even today -- unless, i suppose, drawn by streicher -- have smaller, than in life, nose. but nobody thinks this is odd.
shinohai: Now I am left wondering if there were ads all over ancient Greece selling dick-shrinking pills.
mircea_popescu: maybe one of these days they build a... TOWER.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-02 16:49 mircea_popescu: consider this major point : in ancient greece, people were depicted with small penii ; large ones were considered bestial, comedic and insulting.
mircea_popescu: consider as a fine applicaiton of recursion just how "ugly" (from a purely complexity-boundedness pov) this discussion of, let's recall, originally http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764040 got. and within a short time. ☝︎
asciilifeform: 'if the model is ugly, it's epicyclic even if we don't have the reduction yet' is an ideological, yes, position
mircea_popescu: shinohai so apparently trump is aware neither button works wortha shit ?
asciilifeform: it is only to very limited extent forward . ( recall the 'physicists have a duty to press for clean unification' asciilifeform thread )
mircea_popescu: well, i thought it was being proposed as a forward looking heuristic.
asciilifeform: inescapably the shit-model is only revealed to be such, ~after~ the epicycles removed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that many problems admit retrospective solutions is not at issue here ; the whole content of "i suspect the notion of "shouldn't even be having" is 100% pantsuit wank." is that "alien problems" are an artefact of the retelling of history (esp if with a purpose) rarther than of the making of history.
BingoBoingo: Speaking of lunch today was a liter of chocolate milk and a tiny sandwich
asciilifeform: to borrow BingoBoingo circa 2014 -- the correct solution to fat is... not to become fat; rather than 'reach implements' and double-wide train seats
asciilifeform: whether we're speaking of v, or of the introduction of polar coords, or lagrange's mechanics, etc
asciilifeform: correct mechanics of model ( aka notation ) for a problem , has the same effect as levers do in mechanical work
a111: Logged on 2015-10-07 13:46 mircea_popescu: once newton/leibniz fixed notation, for instance, to take a very easy historical example,
asciilifeform: they do all of the good of smallpox.
mircea_popescu: far be it from me to impugn fiction as the primary driver of engineering effort.
asciilifeform: i can't speak for the good doctor newton. but asciilifeform specifically ~did~ target , for extermination, 'git' & related idiocies. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: that's the major point here, that a categorical split ("oh, either problem or aproblem!") is based on no equivalent phenomenological split.
asciilifeform: what, say, is 'v', other than 'hey whydontcha take off the clothespin'
mircea_popescu: and newton didn't sit down to abolish them, either.
mircea_popescu: something was abolished, yes, but not THAT, and more important NOT LIKE THAT!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but now merge these factual observations, which are correct BUT SUPERFICIAL, with your own knowledge on and around the scheuristic point of "coffin liners". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "if you're watching it-- it's fior you" means, also, "if you have this problem, it's not an alien problem", or otherwise put "a study of alien problems is necessarily useless ; other than to prepare one for a life spent trying to write for jezbel"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it makes sense. nevertheless, epicycles were abolished. the gymnastiscs of roman arithmetic are no longer here. and so on.
mircea_popescu: but the fact that such a planet could never exist is left unadressed -- the needs of fiction are fictive.
BingoBoingo: Perhaps the histamine overload is finally getting to fleanode
mircea_popescu: anyway -- an alien problem is a problem with a banal retrospective solution that doesn't exist. it works well for fiction, where one can say "and on planet x, people all walked with their nose in a clothespin, then our hero came in, told them to ditch the clothespins, AND THEREFORE WAS A HERO. AND IS!" ie, establishing shot.
mircea_popescu: check it out... somehow dc'd but the protected name still avail.
asciilifeform: iirc original term of art was sumthinglike barnum's elephant-repellent
mircea_popescu: here it goes : "did you know, women, that before pantsuited hilarity clinton was invented, you had problems XYZ ? and that afterwards, these were resolved ?" "nope" "we'll... it's all recorded for all enternity-till-year-end on jezbel" "Where is this wonder ?" "oh, DO WE REALLY STILL HAVE TO ?!?! IN 2018 ?!?! WE'VE ALL MOVED PAST THAT!!!" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so entrepreneurial witch doctor applies self to inventing problems he could actually solve, so as to flip "doesn't" into "does or doesn't".
mircea_popescu: witch doctor has gotten "99% of the way there" -- the only problem is the tail.
mircea_popescu: now consider the case of witch doctor. guy comes into office, outputs a string ; witch doctor responds with some activity and some instruction ; problem does not get better.
mircea_popescu: consider the case of a doctor. guy comes into office, outputs a string ; doctor responds with some activity and some instruction ; problem gets better or doesn't.
phf: i thought kahn topo sort is trivially extendable with cycle detection? you just put another flag on the node for which you check
asciilifeform: plox to expand ?
mircea_popescu: but the statement is that this is an in-universe, ie, fictive model. it dun work except as such.
mircea_popescu: i understand how the ideal model is supposed to work.
asciilifeform: 'i gotta pay people to stand and hold this wall up'
asciilifeform: sure there is. it means that the builder made a wrong cut. e.g. edison's dc resistive losses.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing in nature.
mircea_popescu: well since you squeeze me, here it is : i suspect the notion of "shouldn't even be having" is 100% pantsuit wank.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-26 01:11 asciilifeform: 'I’d like to see one expression coined by the poker writer Matt Matros become common parlance, since it applies far more widely than only to poker. An “alien problem” means some problem that might be fun, interesting and educational to analyze, and it would be really important to know the solution if you ever found yourself in that situation, but the point is that you shouldn't even be having that problem in the first pl
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the fortunate thing is that -- supposing it were an actual, rather than 'alien' ( per http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-26#934853 ) problem -- it parallelizes. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: phf he's the proverbial fox hunting dog that the fox ~doesn't even have to bat its tail~ for him to fork off.
asciilifeform: phf: separate item, but ended up in same thread. it's the 1 quadratic algo left in proper-v
phf: wait, are we talking about the same thing? i thought conversation is about pairing patches with seals, how did cycles come into the picture?
mircea_popescu: seriously, you're going to try n(n-1)/2 ?
mircea_popescu: consider the greater problem here asciilifeform : i give you a set of 1mn units of blockchain. you are to reconstruct their order.
asciilifeform: this abolishes the o(n^2) cyclicity detector. which is not wholly unlike 'running marathon in gas mask'
asciilifeform: ( it is pointedly NOT an item that can be produced accidentally )
mircea_popescu: ah, cycles outta the question from the get go
mircea_popescu: you know, not a great graphs mind myself, but it seems to me our problem may admit better solutions eventually.
esthlos: ah I realized a fucked up the seal handling, thanks mircea_popescu
phf: the way btcbase does it is first pairs all patches by name (following our convention, but next by subst distance), processes those and what's left over is brute forced. algo though was implemented back when naming convention was in flux, so in practice it's o(n), but in reality it could approach o(n^2) if patch bucket is full of shit
mircea_popescu: (not a great lisper myself, but it seems to me here he got caught in the "since i won't be implementing the posix and gnupg bs yet, im not going to put the thing dependent on tyhem at its right place either, because i wanna fuck myself over")
asciilifeform: right, his algo follows 'dump truck' model. my orig one -- did not, it did exactly as mircea_popescu describes.
mircea_popescu: nevermind that, i'm asking about his algo
asciilifeform: there's no practical reason to.
asciilifeform: turning a dump truck full of ???!?$$??? that you found on the street, that contains some parts valid v-sigs, patches, and some parts chicken shit -- into a purely valid v-tree , is o(n^2). but q is why to permit the dump truck situation to begin with.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when building a tree, first load up the sig folder, then apply it as a mask on the patch folder, then proceed building with only the patches that passed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform question is, on the practical score why not rule out unacceptable sigs first ; and more in the general... well...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. it was resolved in the correct way ('give the vtron the obvious hint , i.e. sanely named files , that turns the problem from o(n^2) into o(n)' )
asciilifeform: phf: this is 1) true 2) still a war crime
phf: asciilifeform: i'm not sure you can even scheme without a bunch of srfi's, the first dozen establish a subset of common lisp standard
a111: Logged on 2016-01-18 15:58 ascii_butugychag: the O(N^2) instrinsic runtime of unknown-patch-bag+unknown-sig-bag is something i realized from the start
mircea_popescu: don't tell me it came out as "blockchain never had 1mn blocks so why should we care"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had a lengthy thread re subj
mircea_popescu: am i the only one who doesn't deem n>1k improbable ?
mircea_popescu: ;; It's simple to determine which vpatches have parents;;; just scan linearly. Performance is O(n^2). << this hurt me painfully.
asciilifeform: and what are they doing in your proggy
mircea_popescu: because yes, normally i have the above linked mask applied on the inanity the world produces.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform many things i use are deliberately set up so either it works or it fails. in thsi case "couldn't make text flow sanely - aborting".
asciilifeform: it eats vertical space wastefully, but what does mircea_popescu have that it breaks ?
mircea_popescu: why the fuck am i scrolling 2.5x