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mircea_popescu: is
the conclusion of
this standards board discussion
that "fu mp, live with 80col comments, we're not gonna reflow shit for you"
then ?
ben_vulpes: or even aligning
the = operators
themselves
ben_vulpes: now
that we've done indentation, how about aligning variables on
the right side of = operators
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unlike said contest,
this snipped had real world impact!
mircea_popescu: phf i've little problem with people writing code in whatever line lengths
they want
to. but comments of arbitrary cut are infuriating (though admittedly 80col not nearly so much as 50whatever)
phf: so a dangle like
that is an indicator. in fact a dangle like
that usually exists in programs
that don't 80 column. but sometimes a dangle like
that might just be necessary
mircea_popescu: but at issue here aere
the comments ; and make no mistake about it -- since we're doing
the whole literate
thing
this is very important.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 23:45 phf: in a proper program 80 col is an indicator of s/n, density and all kinds of lateral properties,
that can be communicated between professionals, because you can know ahead of
time, what you're dealing with by shape, and have a rough estimate for
the
token count
mircea_popescu: so you want "\t\t\t\t\tcsRef<iMeshWrapperIterator> objectIter = engine->GetNearbyMeshes(mesh->GetMovable()->GetSectors()->Get(0), oldpos + boundingBox.GetCenter(), boundingBox.GetSize().Norm() * 2);"
to be instead
phf: well, luckily mp doesn't produce v patches, so
this a non-issue
mircea_popescu: i
tell you if
the shit was multiple lines per line i would just exudate my lungs
through
the skinpores on my back out of sheer fury.
mircea_popescu: what if one dayu you have
to read cpp videocard stuff ? what
THEN ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you seriously \ out oo-cpp gnarl
to 80 ?
mircea_popescu: but i guess if emacs feels
the sentence needs more random gibberish instilled who am i
to not permit it.
mircea_popescu: why not also
the interjection "you know ?" or i guess "mon"
mircea_popescu: while i watch mad max
the future or whatever
the fuck i'd do in
this weird crapsack world
mircea_popescu: the day i want
the machine
to write
text for me ima just buy all
the girls strapons and
they can fuck each other
too
phf: oh oh, algo (and
the machinery) being discussed is for hard line reflow. (you run M-q in emacs and it'll reflow
the paragraph for you with newlines introduced)
mircea_popescu: (+if my articles aren't plaintext what are
they bonus)
phf: right, but you can't do
that in plain
text file
mircea_popescu: (last line 661
to 669, so 8 ; from 13
to 8
the variation indeed is 160% so hah!
mircea_popescu: (upon actual measurement, notrly, 1st 368
to 381 vs 2nd 186
to 197 vs 3rd 232
to 242 ; so 13, 11, 10 etc. )
phf: might need a screenshot, i'm not seeing
that on my machine (or possibly also being dense)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 19:23 ben_vulpes: > i haven't
tried
this
test yet << and you don't know
that it only works on
the feeble minded, literally anyone else is going
to see exactly what you're doing and give
the canned response
that you want: "the patriarchy keeps women down and what is really called for is demoting and docking mens wages, and promoting science education for little girls, and generally eradicating
the constructed gender binary so
phf: elastic spaces in
this case means variable width spaces. you can't have
that in plain
text. you can either have foo_bar or foo__bar or ...
mircea_popescu: phf a 120 col line will contain a number of words distriburted around 23.7 ;
this means your spaces being elastic works
to some degree. i will hold up
trilema as an example of
this, would you say elastic spaces are not working for it ?
phf: when you eliminate hyphenation as a concern, you're just left with elastic spaces, but you don't have
those in monospace plain
text. you just have full sized spaces, but
their granularity is so high as
to be almost useless
mircea_popescu: the rules for adding multiple xn
together are more complex
than straight addition, but not complex enough
to manage a positive out of negatives.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re
the naggum quote above : a better statement would be
to say
that every problem comes with an iq functional which could be approximated as a (x-fiq)^3 + b(x-fiq) ;
the a, b and fiq are parameters of
the problem,
the x is where
the solver's iq goes. if his iq is lower
than
the fiq required by
the problem, his "work" comes out negative.
phf: no no,
the reason why i bring up space is
that you basically have
two
things
that k&s can play with: hyphenation and elastic spaces.
the
two are balanced in some magical way
mircea_popescu: phf but hyphens are fundamentally different from spaces.
the
two are not semantically equivalent.
phf: why hyphenate or why dehyphenate?
the first is not necessary but reduces
the value of k&s since basically
there's very little play available with monospaced spaces
mircea_popescu: "intelligence is only a labor-saving device. less intelligent people can in principle create just as elegant solutions, but it would normally
take
them more effort
to get
there." <<< ajhaha NO! FUCKING! WAY!
mircea_popescu: yeah,
trilema not a very good field for
the "oh, ima be vague" approach. it's called
trilema because it has at least
three of everything!
mircea_popescu: i do not wish
to see de-hyphenate or chumpa-tron split up.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 18:44 phf: esthlos: reflecting on it a bit,
tricky part of k&p for plain
text is de-hyphenating for reflow
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 18:44 asciilifeform: why am i reading about e.g. '...ignorance about
the lived experience of women compiler writers, say, can lead
to hurtful behavior...' ?
mircea_popescu: all
these fucktards "being involved" in various
topics
through insistently discussing what
they read in hustler. jacking off doesn't make you a beautician/car mechanic/architect/dentist/etcetera. it may make you blind, apparently,
to
the world around, but whatevs.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker... NOBODY CARES. seriouyslty now. it makes exactly zero difference for any practical purpose "in
the industry" whether you chain up all
the women and sell
them off
to martians.
mircea_popescu: "human rights" hurr. nobody reading
that
thought "o hey, how great, old woman gets ground into
the dirt". HOWEVER,
the difference between sane person and moderntard is
that
they also didn't go "HEY, PIXIE DUST!!! MAKE ALL BETTER!!!"
mircea_popescu: btw, you ever read
tiganiada ? did i ask
this before ?
BingoBoingo: You know who loves making fun of
the Obese: Latinos
mircea_popescu: but in any case, i'm satisfied
this ass was well beaten
to pulp.
mircea_popescu: well, so
then, "alien problem is how an authority may choose
to communicate
the excommunication of a class of activity" lel.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously
there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and
the authority can not be predicated on
the meaning."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the
train seats issue is particularly iffy, considering how japanese did rework in 70s.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
there's a difference between poet ignoring language convention and junior high "innocent bystander who happens
to be black" ignoring same.
mircea_popescu: the epicycles, before removal, a) had a history whcih b) was understood by
the removers.
the "alien problem" is how lazy jwz say "i don't want
to read", by and large.
mircea_popescu: in
that it does little more
than veneer bias into some kind of dysfunctional reification.
mircea_popescu: now
then, back
to
the issue : i suspect "alien problem" is a worse
than useless heuristic, in
the exact sense "web metric" are a worse
than useless management aid.
mircea_popescu: yes, heuristics exist, and can be used.
that's about it.
mircea_popescu: consider
the case of "evil" scientists
that were WRONG
mircea_popescu: this is
the case at least 50% of
the
time
throughout history.
mircea_popescu: it is notoriously difficult for fathers
to pick competent sons for daughters / stalins
to pick competent successors etc.
mircea_popescu: it is easy
to come up with a partition one can live with himself.
mircea_popescu: "oh, DO WE STILL HAVE
TO DO
THIS ?!?!?! IN 2018 ?!?! EPICYCLES ?!?!?". gimme a break, you can't light a fucking lightbulb.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: exactly because "technology helps
the
theives
too, is policework-neutral overall" phenomenon.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 01:17 asciilifeform: wiles, see, 'doesn't count' because 'too long and uses
things not
taught in kindergarten and wtf is
this'