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asciilifeform: esp. in such a way as to produce a spec that can then be worked from.
asciilifeform: mod6: annotation of trb is a+++ Right Thing imho.
mod6: Not committed or married to the idea, but I've been trying to think about what I might want to spend my time on.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:45:48 asciilifeform: lobbes: speaking strictly for self -- 'quick' jobs are quick because they (incl. 'fit problem in head' phase) can be fit into a single slot in b/w salt mine idjicies. whereas things large enuff as not fit, much moar friction. (erry time must load it in... again, again, ... )
mod6: There is a lot of work re: trb that does need to be done too. Another thing that was nagging at me... if we're to have a "university", we also need materials. And technical materials can be 'trb' coad itself; however, it might be cool to have an annotated source.
asciilifeform: mod6: if you start to study ffa, dun hesitate to ask asciilifeform to help as you go in.
mod6: I have a whole list of things I wanna do; actually. Like, finally spend the time I need on all things FFA.
asciilifeform: mod6: for instance, i have a gnatistic o(1) block db thing, that's a gnat bugfix away from battle tests.
asciilifeform: mod6: i'ma submit for so long as anyone cares to read.
mod6: For me, I won't have a fief to preside over, but maybe I'll still submit trb related work.
asciilifeform: ( maybe only i take these seriously ? but imho such documents ought to represent reality )
mod6: I agree, there should be a new one drawn up for whomever should take the helm.
asciilifeform: mod6: new blood imho ought to then amend the charter.
mod6: But alas, The Foundation has some greater goals than simply trb itself. TRB can be one facet of this, but new blood will need to take the ship in a direction of outreach.
asciilifeform: mod6: imho it is only because we have trb, that other meaningful work has what to breathe.
mod6: I would like to see trb carry-on indeed. Now, perhaps, more than ever, is needed as a check against wild shitcoiners out there.
BingoBoingo to the basement on the mod6 mission
asciilifeform: imho these are the fundamentals, without which all other adventures pertaining to trb (e.g. propaganda) are meaningless.
asciilifeform: nao asciilifeform is no one in tbf. but will be sad if it comes to be the case that there is no tbf to fund emplacements of noades, curation of the ref. trb (incl. mod6's very fine build system) .
mod6: Well, correct, I've stated that I think I've done the duty as spelled out in the Charter. It's well impressed on me that tbf needs new direction and new blood.
asciilifeform: maybe i'm alone in this, but i don't hold against mod6 that he was breaking his back in a salt mine.
asciilifeform: mod6: why not want to be involved ?
asciilifeform: there is nuffin in the charter regarding e.g. carrying out propaganda, or even the building of noades. (tho both imho are Right Thing)
mod6: We'll really need to discuss the whole thing at length too. It's not yet fully determined what'll happen to tbf. But mircea_popescu has thrown out a few ideas. I doubt I'll be involved in whatever comes next for it though.
asciilifeform: incidentally i dun agree w/ mp's verdict that tbf is somehow broken (aside from 1 of the 2 chairs having gone awol.) charter reads, clearly, 'This charter establishes the existence of a virtual organization whose mission is to maintain the Bitcoin reference implementation.' this was carried out .
mod6: If/when I get a chance to discuss tbf with him, I'll see what he has to say. But my guess is he'd probably just like us to replace him as needed.
asciilifeform: mod6: this is problem. per charter .
mod6: He asked us to leave him dead, so I've been respecting that. Until like 3 minutes ago. I just tried to poke him re: trinque.
asciilifeform: re tbf
asciilifeform: mod6: unrelatedly, were you able to make contact with ben_vulpes at all ?
asciilifeform: mod6: i expect he'll come back from sea or wherever he is before week is out, seems to do so regularly nowadays.
mod6: and, yah, maybe we ought to send him an email?
mod6: asciilifeform: will do. i think when '1,2,3' (above) are done, we can re-visit and see what makes sense.
asciilifeform: ( 3rd, 4th, whothefuck knows what the clock's set to on any of these )
ossabot: trinque last seen in #trilema on 2019-10-03 22:53:34: sorry for the gagged deedbot meanwhile; that outage caught me in the middle of a multi-channel experiment
asciilifeform: !o seen-anywhere trinque
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 20:22:43 asciilifeform: asciilifeform, otoh, did the equiv of when folx w/ no medical education attempt a tracheotomy on choking patient. cuz nobody else was about to.
asciilifeform: but, mod6 , if at any point you find that you take a difference to asciilifeform's method of conducting the orchestra plox to asap say .
mod6: was just looking for trinque's last transmission. seems like it was the 4th.
mod6: yeah, seems like we're on the same page.
asciilifeform: mod6: it presently seems that we do not disagree .
asciilifeform: dc was bought out (presumably 'to make netflix cache' tho i dun specifically know its fate) and all subscribers hung to dry.
asciilifeform: it was a leased irons isp rather than colo
asciilifeform: they tend to leave disgusting messes.
asciilifeform: mod6: clean unwind is sumthing the heathens dun know how.
mod6: the latter half of that previous line didn't quite parse for me. care to expand on that a bit?
asciilifeform: we are to set a proper standard, imho, for seppuku.
mod6: i'd say that's the correct approach.
asciilifeform: and yes errybody is to get back 1) data 2) coin 3) iron, in that order.
mod6: for sure, glad he's been able to give his guidence.
asciilifeform: seems like the only 1 who hasn't yet come up for air is trinque .
mod6: asciilifeform: Well, that ~might~ be true. We ought to proceed though with careful steps to ensure we don't overlook something; we need to ensure that everyone is settled correctly, accurately. Having some oversight from mircea_popescu on this will be good.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd rather not put those on a heathen hoster, but let's ask the affected folx 1st.
BingoBoingo: On the plus side we do have everyone's ssh pubkeys so we don't have to put up for all comers even though GPG'd
asciilifeform: mod6: currently i'm thinking, we do not need 'liquidator' a la bbet. we, ourselves, can properly play the orchestra as the ship goes down.
asciilifeform: if no one comes up with where, i'ma get hold of a cheap heathen thing, they're gpgballs, ought not matter where to put.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd offer to host , but, lol, haven't where
BingoBoingo: Now, one thing we do need is some sort of ftp server we can use to get shared hosting customers GPG'd tarballs with their files and databases
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dun panic. asciilifeform simply would like to apply the necessary heat so as e.g. the sec deposit dun evaporate .
mod6: asciilifeform: that's decent news. but still, we should proceed with our customers needs first. then, possibly, see what we can do for Pizarro.
asciilifeform: mod6: and the sooner contract is finished with, the moar will remain.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've still not had time to contemplate anywhere that might be better in the near to mid term.
asciilifeform: mod6: i dun expect that postage for boxen, or 1wk of refund, will eat anywhere close to whole piggy.
mod6: Well, so the way I see it: On the off chance that we'd win some sort of judgement, even if the courts are expedient, and I doubt that they are; We should continue on our current path. Pay what ever we need to pay back to customers out of what we have on-hand, make shipments, what have you. Then if there is cash left over, make a decision at that time.
asciilifeform: mod6: since BingoBoingo apparently wishes to stay in uruguayistan, gotta cleanly nuke the contract.
BingoBoingo: Even though the contract nearly made it to term, it's still a liability attached to my name personally.
BingoBoingo: On some level once the auditions to see if any lawyers are hungrier than present counsel are concluded, if a suit isn't feasible counsel may be necessary to cleanly send the contract to /dev/null should latecho get combative
asciilifeform: mod6: i also doubt. but imho worth to at least find what'd cost .
mod6: It may not be a bad idea to look into. I just, for what its worth, have my doubts that much comes of it.
asciilifeform: mod6: orc attourneys i suspect dun charge megabux. but imho worth to find what'd cost. perhaps even 1 would work on contingency, and then only costs to feed BingoBoingo .
mod6: However, I'm not closing the door on the whole thing. We'll have to evaluate our liabilities to our customers, cash on hand, who would be owed what, etc.
mod6: re: lawsuit, i've been following along here since the onset of this. I get the overall sense that not much may come of it, and similar to what MP was saying, would have been helpful to have some attourney long ago, as opposed to now. Especially regarding the fact that we've been getting screwed for years. A judgement might only consist of some repayment for recent month.
asciilifeform: supposing in fact someone decides to jettison a box(s) .
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: His is not of you're preferred type of box
asciilifeform: can then colo somewhere, in the new era of 'erry man for himself' colos.
asciilifeform: mod6: if you paid moar than coupla hundy for it, prolly worth to get it back via the post.
mod6: asciilifeform: fair enough. we'll see, one step at a time.
mod6: BingoBoingo: The directories are listed in my pgp msg.
asciilifeform: mod6: yer unlikely to get ~anyffin for it if sold in orcistan.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: why wouldja want the raid card but not the whole box ? << Perhaps a bit premature to ask for this. Let's see if BB can get the back up completed, then will decide on whether to sell the box or have it shipped back whole, or parts.
BingoBoingo: mod6: If you can give me guidance on what directories you want, that will be helpful. Even downloading straight from the local switch, the whole blockchain is going to take time, and space.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik.
lobbesbot: mod6: Sent 24 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942437] [owed] and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit.
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> asciilifeform mod6: I plan to return and SSH into the box. << Thanks BB!
ericbot: Logged on 2018-07-24 12:38:09 asciilifeform: oblig su joak : division commander notices that maxim gun emplacement has fallen silent. he walks over , 'comrade gunner, why is your maxim silent' gunner : 'comrade lieutenant, i've run through my belt' lieutenant : 'BUT YOUR ARE A COMMUNIST!' ... the maxim promptly begins to chatter again !
asciilifeform: re customers, yes would rather give'em working boxes, but will have to be refund.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And it is to be pursued.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that's genuine money.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's the odd balance that remains from security deposit/mega bolus going into the datacenter last fall
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right, that's customer equity
asciilifeform: (re piggy -- dun fughet, BingoBoingo , that we also will have to issue refunds to people who had refueled and then had ??? instead of reachable boxes for week+ )
BingoBoingo goes for the statement
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Per my records in the months after they said to stop sending more money for a while, after MP's big incoming wire via Mocky, we spent down much of the security deposit as BTC price was low.
asciilifeform: at the VERY least oughta recover the week+ of dud service + security dep.
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform is in favour of using as much of the remaining piggy as BingoBoingo sees fit , in taking it as far as it can be made to go.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mod6 you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is owed and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: also you'll want to at least attempt to get that security deposit back.
asciilifeform: seems that contract atm is in '1 direction' mode, american-style, where 'you owe, and we -- uhm, nuffin'