asciilifeform pictures first day of mircea_popescu's lecture. n00bz walk in, find small road cone on each chair. 'no, gentlemen, these are glued on. have a seat.'
asciilifeform: (notice, if the tale of znort is to be taken at face value, the only thing that kept his edifice from burning down was a pgp sig.)
asciilifeform: such as for instance some of the folks here may have 'come to expect' ~not~ being deluged with crafted messages from third parties claiming to be from X
asciilifeform: i read phf's thing as simply 'you are counting on other side not to simply lose the plaintext, and not to shoot out both of your feet by sending an intended signed ciphrogram in the clear'
asciilifeform often feels lame asking for a transl of a piece written in a reasonably european lang
asciilifeform: 'Hungary-based security consultancy SilentSignal has ported a public exploit to newer models of Cisco's Adaptive Security Appliance (ASA). .... The exploit was restricted to versions 8.4.(4) and earlier of ASA boxes and has now been expanded to 9.2.(4).'
asciilifeform: wyrdmantis: nope, it is even deeper 'magic water voodoo. as was fashionable in 1960s.
asciilifeform: there are few folks more 'batshit' than cargocultist who manages to build a ~working~ glider.
asciilifeform: wonder how much of what these schmucks are experiencing, is the effect of drinking heavywater.
asciilifeform: the interesting part re ^ is that the depicted fixture will indeed separate water... but not into 'magic' and 'nonmagic', but... h2o and d2o.
asciilifeform: but for so long as there are folks who remember what the Real Deal looks like - idiot is left to bite own elbows with frustration.
asciilifeform: (or, on a very distant planet, it was tried with 'clojure' vs common lisp.)
asciilifeform: let'em try also with bitcoin, why not.
asciilifeform: the hearnia strategy, 'we'll steal your thing and make idiot version and sell it to EVERYONE as the Real Thing' was tried, yes, with pgp.
asciilifeform: (which gets inserted into the comp every morning to log in, and no, the card does not light up when signing)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: which is why games like civ1 had braindead computer opponent, and certain others - e.g., galciv - were famous for 'interesting ai'
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: ai that finds you because it ~knows where you are~ is not ai.
asciilifeform: phf: and, granted, nobody is storing 1TB of otp inside his head.
asciilifeform: phf: where i argued that the ~only~ genuine advantage of a physical key is that it is possible to destroy the only copy
asciilifeform: phf: do you remember the 'brainwallet' thread ?
asciilifeform: if this becomes obvious IMMEDIATELY when it happens, it means that i have done my work here CORRECTLY.
asciilifeform: i fully expect to be killed at some point, and in such a way that usg gets some or all of my key material.
asciilifeform: historically successful partizan organizations assumed betrayal, blackmail, and torture, as facts of life, and routed around the damage on best-effort basis (e.g., cell compartmentalization.)
asciilifeform: 'oops i went on vacation and forgot' 'mmok'
asciilifeform: there are also such things as 'canary', but they tend to 'cry wolf', like burglar alarms.
asciilifeform: (for which the toolkit includes, e.g., 'fits-in-head')
asciilifeform: or, my own 'trademark', to build systems that will survive one's own cokemachining and betrayal.
asciilifeform: the necessary level of discipline contains tools such as cyanide
asciilifeform: phf: the thing is necessarily as strong as the weaker party, yes
asciilifeform: if one really desires the 'absolute' aspect, there is, yes, a price.
asciilifeform: (recall, ancestors had to use pen and paper!)
asciilifeform: e.g., are you willing to compose and read messages using something with the ergonomics of a pocket calculator ?
asciilifeform: otp also poses a number of 'konsooomer has come to expect' challenges to typical user.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: pretty sure all the faces are on www .
asciilifeform: (most folks have not now and never will have any business using an otp. to use it without applying the required ~discipline~ - e.g., are you prepared to keep the pad with you at ALL times, in the shitter, etc. ? does more harm than good.)
asciilifeform: anyway, i only bring up subj because 'what are some things to do at meat meetups.'☟︎
asciilifeform: (there are schemes for public signatures using an otp-like system - lamport's signatures - but they rely on the strength of a hash and do not have the absolute guarantee associated with an ordinary otptron.)
asciilifeform: 'harem', to use mircea_popescu's ontology, vs 'forum'.
asciilifeform: an otpgram is intrinsically an affair between TWO people.
asciilifeform: it is important to remember that otp is not a replacement for public key crypto.
asciilifeform: but perhaps we already had this thread.
asciilifeform: the most difficult piece of an otp system is the 'ot'
