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phf: imho the poetry of soviet union was atrocious), so i see pre-stalin as last patrons
phf: why, no. i'm thinking of, say, malevich's kvadrat, joyce's ulysses, bely's leningrad, all essentially as being the final point to a long conversation. the conversation might be valueless, but some wealthy people were watching and periodically clapping. stalin patronises essentially clean slate, in fact aggressively disinterested in the old conversation. but i guess i do see more value in pre-stalin art then i do in stalin's (mostly because
mircea_popescu: i was not ready for this truth.
punkman: mircea_popescu: no I mean they'll probably make a law that public toilets need to have a shitspoon
mircea_popescu: (the sticking point here, i suspect, is that you believe for whatever reason there's "value" in art. which is at best naive, at socialism bourgeois etc.)
punkman: mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/pe5i8Mb.jpg << you'd think the us would catch up with the arab world in terms of civilisation already and introduce the water jets. << "if you can't afford a shitspoon, public shitspoon will be provided"
mircea_popescu: well let's not exaggerate, but, i'd say "there's no way to draw a definition of patron that excludes stalin and still makes any sort of sense".
mircea_popescu: phf how was stalin (or ceausescu, for whom i have documentary evidence) not a patron ?
mircea_popescu: (i have never seen a toilet in the arab world, be it poor as fuck rural or not, that didn't have a water jet for your ass.)
mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/pe5i8Mb.jpg << you'd think the us would catch up with the arab world in terms of civilisation already and introduce the water jets.
phf: yes, and what i got out of it is art is king says art is, which might be a misunderstanding
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't think dadaism can be applied. the original joke seemed to be that you can pretend like you do art, have all the trappings of artists with no actual art involved, and it was precisely funny as long as a wealthy patron was laughing. it's not funny anymore because the joke was a response to malevich and joice, kind of like "if there's nothing else left to do it, let's just have artists pretend like they are doing art an
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 21:30:48; phf: i live in the area with apparently "highest number of lesbians after san francisco", so lots and lots and lots plus sized sjw types
mircea_popescu: i confess however that the WHY is nebulous to me at this time, and the how come not much better.
mircea_popescu: so yes asciilifeform i would say your understanding is broadly correct
asciilifeform: i have my doubts that there is anything resembling even a gavinized parody of the blockchain in there, at all
BingoBoingo: I honestly think these "Bitcoin Computers" are just 21 having stumbled into the lost cache of those missing BFL mini rigs and discovering they were exactly this.
asciilifeform: speaking of, last i checked, 'trezor' was still reflashable from the usb jack. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: i'd pay money for that if i had kids in the 9-15 range.
pete_dushenski: this '21 math' is all too reminiscent of the very same exercise we did back in may of this year : www.contravex.com/2015/05/15/21-inc-and-comcast-sitting-in-a-tree-d-e-r-p-i-n-g/
mircea_popescu: this is more in line with what i had in my head. intel ran numbers came out with 0.0001 not 0.001
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:32:19; thestringpuller: I'm pretty sure ASICminer tried this with the USB miners
asciilifeform: i slept through the neobee thing
asciilifeform: aside from outlandish hypothesis like 'hidden usg altcoin miner' - i can hardly think of any logical reason for it to exist.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html << there, read the source for the quote. he meanwhile deleted it from his www but i had a copy.
mircea_popescu: i wanna meet the guy that DIDNT loise money paying mit-educated anythings 50-85k a year to do whatever they did. which whatever may not include "being acquired" or other purely bezzlematic shenanigans.
asciilifeform: i might be thick, but - which this ?
mircea_popescu: i would not hire the idiots.
mircea_popescu: if vc comes to me with 20mn on the premise i get to keep 1mn if i spend 10mn hiring these idiots
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 02:06:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281114 << except i wouldn't hire them if they paid me.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not even my angle. my angle is this : "yes it makes sense for the company YOU PAID MONEY BEFORE to protect your investment IN THEIR SHIT. but you didn't pay me jack, did you ? I WILL BURN IT ON GENERAL PRINCIPLE AND FUCK YOU FOR HAVING PAID THE ENEMY."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can see it.
asciilifeform: i had to go and actually dig up a fucking lisp machine to figure out why it cannot be 'suck the cock of' and made a base for future work as-is
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 18:48:18; phf: i guess that's why dadaist groups all have long history of denouncement, usually ending with the original founder remaining. otherwise you always have some entrenched fuck proposing a markdown jet, because useful and doesn't hurt and shrug. but when it's the founder itself..
asciilifeform: i can see it.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i suspect a lot of the mommentum for the entire "oh broken factors" comes from historical accident. it was in point of fact research into elliptic curves that yielded the fermat proof,
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281864 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281866 << i see in the list 'lead' and 'follow' but where is 'fail' ? ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: i certainly see the resemblance.
mircea_popescu: i didn't mean "i should like for someone to show me how math works". i just meant i dunno that there's even a promising direction of research into the matter.
mircea_popescu: not what i meant!
mircea_popescu: i expect if ever resolved it'll be like the fermat thing.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how you'd prove that. at all.
asciilifeform: http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/urbit-functional-programming-from.html?showComment=1263570771214#c6454142774827414532 << i did tell him.
mircea_popescu: well in my defense i wasn't reading it then.
mircea_popescu: but it's what i had formed in my head in that week or however long the interest lasted.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281152 << ianae but my reading at the original time (back when i even sponsored development in the then-nascent alt paradigm, see http://trilema.com/2013/so-this-urbit-thing/#selection-35.0-37.0 ) was that they actually had pretty much the same idea as alf, which is to say the old sherlockism : "once you've eliminated all stupid, what you're left weith, however improbable ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281891 << mircea_popescu if you have an actual proof, i and 10,001 other people would enjoy reading it. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i guess we'll never know.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281114 << except i wouldn't hire them if they paid me. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:59:29; ascii_field: i just think it is grimly hilarious how everything we've spoken of here ~will~ be implemented in bastardized usg versions
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i appreciate that they're SO FUCKING PETRIFIED of bitcoin can't even talk of it other than under the SA guise.
asciilifeform: i see the point here, i think. the (private) 'crime and punishment museum' in d.c. - the one with the famous electric chairs - has an example of mafia don's cell
asciilifeform: i expect that fella who 'won't accept' will get some form of... persuasion, in his jail cell, in the form of broken teeth
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought you said these people took math. at some point.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281097 << if a hog fucks a goat in my presence, in the sense that i was in the same country at some point, this does not qualify the resulting hogbeast as "my bastard" ☝︎
mircea_popescu: <trinque> I see that point; in this case I think it reflects the actual twisted beliefs of the population << in all cases. that's how witchhunts work, and why they exist.
mircea_popescu: i handed this one out.
trinque: yeah, I've got no problem with it; they're the ones protesting too much
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281212 << I can get 10k per day and it only cost me ~35 USD worth ☝︎
asciilifeform: i personally don't give a damn if they had been doing it to please odin.
mircea_popescu: "the kid has the M disease, what do we do ? " "i dunnoi, cast him in the M pit, let them tell him how to live with it. they obviously know by now"
trinque: oh I'm sure they trade the things just like has been said about the NSA
mircea_popescu: trinque heh, i imagine there's some pretty decent policeman teen porn stashes.
asciilifeform: and - ianal, but, afaik it is a 'strict liability' offence in usa. this means that considerations like 'i had no idea this was on my box' only count with respect to the decision to prosecute - that is, ~in the event the prosecutor deems it worthy of consideration~ - rather than on the matter of guilt or innocence.
trinque: I see that point; in this case I think it reflects the actual twisted beliefs of the population
trinque: I don't know that it's anything as centrally organized as Orwell's thing
asciilifeform: but since it is here again, i will note that it is precisely the arbitrary cruelty that is the ~goal~ here.
asciilifeform: ftr i did not witness any of the latter personally.
pete_dushenski: i wish 21 could be relied upon to publish sales data, which they aren't, or else i'd try to short the tards
asciilifeform: i've been running 'tyan' boards for many years.
mircea_popescu: and i gotta learn to form my ideas in subsecond rather than subminute intervals, or else i just repeat the damned log!
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: o i did
asciilifeform: sorta like pete_dushenski would react if i asked 'recommend a car'
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/JJ4CDlF.png
phf: pete_dushenski: i don't know any of the proper english terminology, but your video precisely illustrates my point
cazalla: i guess handball is as ambiguous as football the world over then
cazalla: no ace king queen jack dunce then i guess as we did here
trinque: this is what I thought badminton was for as well; something absurd to do while drinking socially
trinque: oh, a friend and I drank plenty playing bocce at his house
pete_dushenski: laugh was about "ass i lick"
mircea_popescu: in today's fun exotism, curling means "ass I lick" in romanian.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281026 << well of course ? i mean, they did pay into the scheme, neh ? ☝︎
mats: i don't get the basis for this 'old people and chicks of the third gender' shtick.
mircea_popescu: (i am not seriously proposing there's objective hierarchy to the respectability of sports, if that's not obvious. merely recording lived history)
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi_qpF1ClrQ << some doubles, about the level i played at in my prime
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mmg7PVJ3rg << for example (and ftr) here are a couple of the guys i used to play against and train with, and what high-level amateur singles badminton looks like in canada
phf: well, i didn't know anyone else playing badminton except our group, purely on account said father and his wife being some sort of ranked competing amateur level at some point of their lives. but i've never encountered the whole "badminton is not real sport" until i came to u.s.
mircea_popescu: phf well they weren't priceless antiques yet. and i doubt many people seriously saw a putin future back then.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i can see it. 'athletic but not'
phf: i've not seen a chinese export, until the first wave of chelnok came back with bag full of stuff from turkey (traded as i recently discovered for priceless pre-soviet antiques for pennies)
mircea_popescu: badminton kinda had this bad rep as i grew up.
pete_dushenski: i guarantee that there were private clubs in soviet russia that had feather shuttles
mircea_popescu: i never saw a cock made out of anything but.
pete_dushenski: when i was in china, the giant stadiums full of badminton players, all of whom i coulda mopped the floor with, used... plastic.
mircea_popescu: phf wut srsly ? i take it YOUR soviet state wasn't friends with china back then huh ?
phf: pete_dushenski: hard to source that sort of stuff in the middle of nowhere, by the time we would even consider destroying a shuttle, i'd be shredded beyond any sort of reasonable aerodynamic characteristics
mircea_popescu: i had no idea.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, sure i read even heimlich stopped promoting the heimlich at some point
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pete_dushenski: !s i thought this was well known