asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when i toured a ww2 submarine museum-ship, i learned that on board there were steel plates, with matching holes, to bolt to the hatchways when doing a planned dive, in case the hatches leak. somehow i find it hard to picture modern american sailors doing any such thing. osha would have a fit.
asciilifeform: and when something cannot be plundered, one is stuck with what can be produced on a pirate ship.
asciilifeform: (e.g., actual pirates, had considerable problem recruiting and keeping medic. to the point that it became sop to capture one and let him go immediately when replacement is found.)
asciilifeform: this is a consistent algo, and has history, but also obvious limitations.
asciilifeform: dunno that industrial 'civilization' contains much else besides whores and their patrons.
asciilifeform: 'Немного обидно, что строят одни, А в море уходят другие.' (tm) (r) re: ship.
asciilifeform: (in fact, i know of no case where it was done as pictured above. e.g., westinghouse, stopped being engineer quite certainly before becoming successful capitalist.)
asciilifeform: yeah yeah on mircea_popescu's planet they dun have this, all smart folks sit in recliners and get hand-fed grapes by harembots while idiots labour
asciilifeform: wage worker, whether idiot or grandmaster, is still stuck 'only following orders.'
asciilifeform: y'know how rms et al used to say 'publishing without gnu is same as working for microshit for free' ?
asciilifeform: this is a mega-observation, and summarizes why i have 0 interest in involvement in non-tmsr 'open sores' ever again.
asciilifeform: iirc he recently began to rewrite the whole thing. for much the same reason that i had to rewrite phuctor earlier this year.
asciilifeform: i'm willing to bet that if phf's creation were sat down on a reasonably ~sane~ lisp system, e.g., sbcl, it would run stably.
asciilifeform: (he wrote a cl vtron and possibly other items)
asciilifeform: and ben_vulpes also had something, but it is not firing on the battlefield atm afaik.
asciilifeform: well, to date experience consists of phf, who uses the buggy cmucl for some peculiar sentimental reason; and of trinque, whose shit appears to work ~100% of the time.
asciilifeform: just blade. you hold it with a towel.
asciilifeform: i will also point out (and i have entire, lol, www, devoted to subj) that lisp on x86 pc is a sword without a hilt.
asciilifeform: sorta how 'colt led cowboys to their graves'
asciilifeform: and 1,000,001 before him. a sharp knife will do that.
asciilifeform: what i meant was, mircea_popescu's observations about service industries and chumps are entirely, afaik, uncontroversially true, but i dun see how they connect to poor old gabriel_laddel's thing
asciilifeform: by, presumably (i cannot support or undermine his claim, other than perhaps to point out that his 'business' appears to leave him homeless) studying ancient code and making sense thereof
asciilifeform: it isn't as if gabriel_laddel has to buy the clim from shanghai and bring it over by boat
asciilifeform: dunno if this is a very useful term re 'open sores support' business
asciilifeform: do i understand the term correctly ? whitelabel is something one does with a turnkey (e.g., air compressor) item
