asciilifeform: ( and mircea_popescu seems to concur with my verdict, they're ripoffs )

asciilifeform: diana_coman, phf , et al ^

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu was not fond of 'cement', because sees (correctly) that it is a kludge. but imho given the single-threaded classical trb, it or something like it, is necessary

asciilifeform: what i also dun know, is how well this meshes with Mocky/mircea_popescu's mission in Mockystan, presumably Mocky was not sent specifically to sell FG or mircea_popescu would have issued one already. so lessee what mircea_popescu says 1st.

asciilifeform: when mircea_popescu wakes up, we'll see what he says re taking one of asciilifeform's seekrit spares and sending Mocky sample.

asciilifeform: lessee what mircea_popescu thinks; this is a classic example of the type of knot i rely on him to cut.

asciilifeform: if it weren't for struct sockaddr_in..., struct in_addr..., i'd've simply imported the calls via pragma Import(C, ... )

asciilifeform: bvt: didja get a chance to read my udp lib ? the structs thing is the reason for http://btcbase.org/patches/udp_errata_asciilifeform/tree/udp/libudp/unix_udp.c .

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865502 >> as promised >> http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/trb/fuckwads_in.pcap ( filtered , for convenience: only incoming crapola ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: i'ma let mircea_popescu ponder whether this kind of thing is worth doing ☟︎

asciilifeform: diana_coman: the 1 crackpottery i've considered adding to FG-2, is an 'authenticated' mode, where userland proggy gets ability to verify that rng bits actually came from a particular FG. the way to do it would be to have a keccak salt, printed on the board, and have the thing send , instead of naked bytes, packets, of b0,b1,...bN bytes, followed by keccak(salt, b0,b1,...bn) . could be enabled by jumper setting, conceivably.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: the redesign

asciilifeform: diana_coman: given as you're the leading industrial FG user, perhaps share your pov on the above ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: classical FG also fits very reluctantly in servers, but currently i dun have a good idea re what specifically to do about this ( the 'obvious' pill is to have a pci variant, but ice40 is too small for the necessary logic, which in itself is quite gnarly )

asciilifeform: in own proggies, i like using explicitly-bitted types, e.g. Unsigned_8 in http://btcbase.org/patches/udp_genesis#L441

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i actually have 0 objections to 'octet', tho i confess i never suffered from 'bit'-'byte' conflation ( never worked on a box with 7 or 9 bit bytes, e.g. the CDC described in 1st ed k&r -- tho i did work on boxes with odd word lengths, e.g. pic16, where 14bit nonbreakable word... )

asciilifeform: happy beaching, mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was asking specifically re events that trigger reorg logic ( as seen in http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks/tree/bitcoin/src/main.cpp#L1028 ), with arity defined as the length of the eventually discarded forklet chain

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you still have the 100blox log spew on tape somewhere, would like to see..

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: observed on a trb node concretely ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc ben_vulpes had an experiment that demanded custom 'checkpoints' but i do not nao recall what it was ( and can't seem to turn up in l0gz )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can you personally picture a scenario where you'd want to use this ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelated to anyffing: i have a tentative thing that eats a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864354 and gives trb option of replacing 'checkpoints' with it ( i.e. on boot, tests all already-stored blox against it, and if any blox in the tape are not yet present, then it requests & accepts them and only them, 1 at a time ). do we want this for field use ? (if so i can put on conveyor for cleanup) ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had an old piece re subj ; it explains quite a bit re ameri-corporate world

asciilifeform: ( from ancient mircea_popescu piece, quoted e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524864 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu coupla yrs ago wrote about trying a caching thing

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc i last changed mine in... 2008, or so

asciilifeform: dns is a decorative thing, e.g. asciilifeform , mircea_popescu , have dns names for www , but really ought to remember that it is decorative .

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: main dust src in practice is... the human. rather than external air.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if installed correctly, good for 20 yrs, yes. but! needs an orc who can install correctly..

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rrright but that requires an orc who can maintain central plant

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the uruguay folx, do !!

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what do they do, whack you with scimitar and stretch fresh camel's stomach over yer shaved head, and leave hogtied to dry in the desert ?

asciilifeform: ( late-su made ~exactly mircea_popescu's winged-bus thing )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dun forget the blinker-siren

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i.e. for whacking uppity lackey, rather than other sword ?

asciilifeform: there was an old mircea_popescu piece with gypsies living in abandoned tunnels, where they had a desk fulla old sov-era phones, with 0 wiring, strictly for 'rolexism'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if pete_dushenski was to be believed, rolex per se is 100% chump market item in recent yrs, strictly for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852974 people ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman : '6.3. The server will issue type 5.2 messages encrypted to the corresponding client RSA key in response to any client messages for as long as it doesn't have a preferred client Serpent key set. The client is responsible for either maintaining or explicitly burning ~all~ of these, and will pay for them in any case' means that if a serpent key is currently set, serv won't issue another unless client explic

asciilifeform: diana_coman: conceivably could get expensive if derps start spamming crapola user regs

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: precisely what length is the rsa key currently ?

asciilifeform: ( so far from Mocky's description, picture seems like entire place consists of -- handful of natives, owning the petropipe, and much larger set of gastarbeiters servicing pipe + palaces + plumbing etc.; 0 agriculture, 0 industry, pipe economy, possibly ~0 lumpens, quite unlike mircea_popescu's egypt )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought harem were sop in arabistan tho

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: btw what's the intended profit model for those ? fat-rendering ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly