asciilifeform: see, right now we have 'cheat' in the sense that fleanode allows mircea_popescu to manually control access to deedbot .

asciilifeform: it is unfortunately not (yet) a separable concern.

asciilifeform: syn flood is challenge enough, because tcp is braindamaged.

asciilifeform: so it is trivial exercise to determine where deedbot lives and - at least - syn flood it.

asciilifeform: enemy controls not only fleanode but most large isp, so it can send whatever string wherever.

asciilifeform: Framedragger has it.

asciilifeform: what, lel, let's restate whole thing..?

asciilifeform: which

asciilifeform: other - is the mechanism described in mircea_popescu's sketch.

asciilifeform: one is to banish mosquitoes from the atmosphere. for which -- single-packet 'man or mosquito' litmus is required.

asciilifeform: but, to briefly rewind, there are two wholly separate concerns here and should be drawn separately.

asciilifeform: what's there to break?

asciilifeform: from my pov.

asciilifeform: deedbot and mircea_popescu in this example.

asciilifeform: both replaced with muppets.

asciilifeform: it could if you were both sybils today.

asciilifeform: it does NOT follow the nothing-to-allcomers principle.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: deedbot is not a working model of 1packetron omfg

asciilifeform: there are several ways to cut this knot, but thus far i am not satisfied with any

asciilifeform: a working gossipd must combine two seemingly-contradictory features: 1) friend-or-foe identification on single packet - no such thing as ddos or replay remains possible -- 2) enemy on the wire can learn nothing about relation graph.

asciilifeform: didn't we do this before..

asciilifeform: i fully grasp what mircea_popescu wants to accomplish here, but it does not work with his stated mechanism.

asciilifeform: its true key, should it ever turn up, is distinguishable from any other bitstring.

asciilifeform: an rsagram cannot 'decrypt to whatever you want'

asciilifeform: only otp actually creates this effect.

asciilifeform: rsa unfortunately does not give this.

asciilifeform: because you decoded.

asciilifeform: it - aha

asciilifeform: could have been replaced with hitler's 5min ago .

asciilifeform: deedbot, as it lives on fleanode, is promisetronic.

asciilifeform: or your packets are not distinguishable from cosmic noise from pov of my station.

asciilifeform: signs with station key, not royal key

asciilifeform: only sig is actual protocol.

asciilifeform: protocol vs promise.

asciilifeform: third party doesn't see it

asciilifeform: a gossipd link of degree 1 ( 'private message' in mircea_popescu's version of the sketch ) operates on signed matter

asciilifeform: 'find my light cone' is an inevitable knob of gossipd.

asciilifeform: and yes, it will happen.

asciilifeform: i did draw this picture once, mircea_popescu .

asciilifeform: $s light cone

asciilifeform: *1 prog

asciilifeform: not, i must add, as i proggy, but as system.

asciilifeform: e.g., gossip and bitcoin.

asciilifeform: i did propose that it might ALL come together in the end.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if we crash over an island, and have no rifle, it is still unwise to bolt-shit-to-side of the imagined rifle we lack together.

asciilifeform: *the

asciilifeform: i've he panel wall, recall.

asciilifeform: though i have at least one in front of me at all times

asciilifeform: nope.

asciilifeform: vs 'hang shit off side of rifle.'

asciilifeform: separation of concerns?

asciilifeform: a lynx, a manticore, a leucrota...

asciilifeform: why not also build it into not only gossipd but a shortwave antenna, a kalash, a cement mixer, stradivari, and van gogh...

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1538037 << lel what has mircea_popescu been drinking...? ☝︎

asciilifeform: what's wrong with pulling a tarball and using v like normal people ?

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: that was not in my vtron.

asciilifeform: wtf is 'sync'

asciilifeform: waitasec

asciilifeform: ( down side is that it is too much like work )

asciilifeform: but it's always worth a try.

asciilifeform: phf: actual presses generally are nosy and ask copyrasty questions

asciilifeform: but that is still far too much. (consider how a single american pack of paper holds 500 sheets, and its dimensions )

asciilifeform: now to be fair, phf, that's 680 sheets of paper.

asciilifeform: (though laser paper burns atrociously, it is treated with fire retardant so that to survive the fuser)

asciilifeform: lol yes

asciilifeform: naggum even noted this at some point in mid-'90s

asciilifeform: clhs wants to live on the thin, glossy paper that bibles were once printed on.

asciilifeform: i dun need 1300 pg of laser paper anywhere. except possibly at my peine forte et dure !

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: phf: 1300 pg of laser paper takes up too much width

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's a bbc faggot

asciilifeform: phf: yes. it's the one nobody can print into 1 b00k

asciilifeform: (same pic)

asciilifeform: and again earlier

asciilifeform: the one just linked

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think boolcrap and i knew that chick in meatspace.

asciilifeform: i want the thing printed on archival paper and bound in motherfucking human leather.

asciilifeform: forgetit

asciilifeform: nth generation xerox in a 3ring, aha

asciilifeform: *before i could

asciilifeform: some dude got to naggum's death library copy just before i did...

asciilifeform: because you can't get printondemand books on 'bible paper', only heavy laserpaper

asciilifeform: phf: tried many times to have it printed in oncie copy, but NOBODY will promise it in ONE COVER

asciilifeform: phf: hilariously, i've been trying to buy the dead tree for eons

asciilifeform: in all fairness, the lisp world was hit by the equivalent of thermonuke war, and buncha stuff was lost / mixed up / dusted over.

asciilifeform: given as the thing PREDATES HTML

asciilifeform: considering that we can be quite certain that this is what it began life as.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537758 << i never understood why the thing was published as html and not as a sexpr thing that gets htmlificated when you like ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( most cl-using folk keep a copy on own disk. it is even a gentoo port . )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537772 << before clim, common lisp's authoritative spec exists as... dead tree. while the version that ~everyone actually works from is html. because no, it is unusable without hyperlinking. >> http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Front ☝︎

asciilifeform: good work mod6

asciilifeform: it is more like flying than driving, if you will.

asciilifeform: mod6: dunno that vtronic builds will ever be a 'most people' affair. ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: !!up boolcrap

asciilifeform: was there a major point ?

asciilifeform: not hard.

asciilifeform: mod6: see my original rotor makefile. it chdirs to the dep dirs, makes there, etc.

asciilifeform: boolcrap: i bet it was her.

asciilifeform: boolcrap: because i think she does.