asciilifeform: that requires there being more somewhere.
asciilifeform: in re: other household chores - ben_vulpes, phf, mircea_popescu - when restoring old lappy batteries, what's yer favourite way to cut through ultrasonic welds in the plastic ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: comment was 'my algo is essentially same, and should look into the scraping tools'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: pet read your dishwashing treatise with great interest.
asciilifeform: i still do it in thick rubber gloves, like grandfather did.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes if you're the sort of fella who buys houses and builds compartments for the dogs and sons and etc. (and you are), buy a fishing set, you won't regret.
asciilifeform: well apparently ben_vulpes landed in a 'clean' one.
asciilifeform: it's why the americans made hollow walls to begin with! simple place to shove the wires.
asciilifeform: how the hell do you wire anything without 'spelunk in walls' ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes doesn't own a fishing rod and line ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: why not ? sink is right on the floor, or wat
asciilifeform: what else was missing...? indoor shitter?
asciilifeform: holy shit, ben_vulpes lived in a flat w/out a garburator even, much less dishwasher?!
asciilifeform: of the 1,001 pitfalls of riding the tanker, the magic blue mist is apparently not one.
asciilifeform: 'The local port authority has reportedly launched an investigation into the incident, with local newspapers reporting as much as $250,000 in damages.'
asciilifeform: so i owe him 5000, and we settle in potatoes, also without creating tx, etc.
asciilifeform: if i'm buying six antimatter bombs from thestringpuller, and nominally they cost 1000btc each but he realizes that he owed me 1000btc of iridium from asteroid, and we settle without creating btc tx, this is honest - but is not a btc transaction.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: 'offchain transaction' is a harmless thing so long as it is not fraudulently presented as 'in bitcoin'.
asciilifeform: but by instead passing papers/scratch'n'sniffs/magical usb thingies/etc. around.
asciilifeform: well no, not same ones, these think they can 'use bitcoin' without creating tx.
asciilifeform: they go 'i'm gonna try to make a string of bits that tells me if someone copied it' and end up in same idiot spots as copyrasts making 'copy protection' etc.
asciilifeform: the reason i even started this thread is that there is imho a 'sleep of reason breeding monsters' among folks who partake in 'physical coins' and similar.
asciilifeform: whereas walking with the paper is an invitation to everybody to knock you over the head and take the coin.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it also isn't clear to me why anyone would want to walk around with a paper privkey.
asciilifeform: bitcoin is moved between holders by issuing a tx. attempting any other method, under the guise of 'transacting in bitcoin', is fraudulent of the sender, and idiotic of the receiver.
asciilifeform: it is altogether unclear to me how 'more descriptive' would help. subj is a dead end.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when he drinks, i'd guess.
asciilifeform: it offers 0 advantage over sheet of paper. paper costs ~0 however, while 'magic coin' fattens worm.
asciilifeform: the hologram, faux crypto, etc. are scamatronic in that they offer 0 pill against sc4mz0r, while being quite unnecessary when trading with trusted party.
asciilifeform: whereas with 'physical coins' people imagine they have some sort of protections. which is poppycock.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: understand, 'physical btc' is dumb because it makes promises that are physically impossible to keep. if you simply shove sheet of paper with privkey at someone, you at least have no illusions about possible pitfalls of doing it.
asciilifeform: ever been to actual village? folks pay 'in materiel', with word of honour, etc.
asciilifeform: btc doesn't even make sense in the given picture.
asciilifeform: and you haven't been 'paid in btc' until the coins land in addr for which you have sole control of privkey.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: yes if you're playing single-shot 'dilemma'.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the curriculum, if you will, of 'sane hardware' consists of public rapes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when, e.g., mod6 goes into the forest to teach woman how to shoot a turkey, he presumably does not do it because the individual turkey was important.