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asciilifeform: no fundamental reason. just as railway bridge could, in principle, be glued from toothpicks.
asciilifeform: building railroad bridge out of toothpicks.
asciilifeform: the other bit is, just as in the fpga thread, by the time anyone ~does~ spend the man-years, the requisite hardware is unavailable. see, e.g., 'movitz'.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the hardware is very literally shit. e.g., ever heard of acpi ?
asciilifeform: i blew years on it and then realized that the hardware is shit .
asciilifeform: i'ma let phf finish before i return to the iron bit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is gonna be the fpga thread all over again, isnnit. fact is, the 10,001 man-years are not available, and certainly not six times every morning before breakfast.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the difficult part is 'which skank.' it isn't 1988 and there is no standard pc arch.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's the easy part
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in this context, folks often say 'vm' when they are really describing emulator of a sane cpu arch.
asciilifeform: it is great island, lush vegetation, but very little edibles.
asciilifeform: aaaaaand this is how mircea_popescu arrives on the island where i sat in 2010.
asciilifeform: pretty much every c proggy >2k or so lines is similarly unrecoverable 'under the weight.'
asciilifeform read, and knows this
asciilifeform: in the end, no cleaner than if you had walked.
asciilifeform: planting you face-down in the mud.
asciilifeform: phf: except they are on close terms with the bottle and fall over regularly.
asciilifeform: and actually where i began when i was doing x86.
asciilifeform: much simpler animal than common lisp, or for that matter than any type of compiler. but imho it is the correct way to bootstrap.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had a thread, but it would appear that original author of subj went into the jungle and never came out, so i dug out copy, https://web.archive.org/web/20111227150315/http://www.stripedgazelle.org/joey/dream.html << scheme r4rs interp. written in asm by hand.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the equivalence, in practice, is a null - different structures take vastly disproportionate effort and moving parts to implement, depending on machine design.
asciilifeform: and again, e.g., sbcl, compiles. question is what do you compile ~it~ with
asciilifeform: what's tll ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: getting 10,001 pyramid slaves to hand-compile the compiler into asm with ~guaranteed same semantics~ as the original, isn't even a financial problem, it is problem with 'planet hasn't this number of people who can meaningfully participate'
asciilifeform: where one gets the first build.
asciilifeform: is what is bootstrapping.
asciilifeform: well, that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you recall the 'gnat is built with gnat' thread ?
asciilifeform: thing's got a compiler.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-05#1007663 ☝︎
asciilifeform: phf: speaking of, i dug out my sbcl stash, oldest one appears to be 1.0.37 (loaded Mar 29 2010)
asciilifeform: incl. the fire retardant in laser paper.
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
asciilifeform: adlai even pointed out helpfully.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: americanism for 'uv-b lamp'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1543854 << novelized as stephenson's 'snow crash' ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1543847 << so do 10,000,001 other things, including ~all types of laser print paper... ☝︎
asciilifeform bbl.
asciilifeform: but gotta reproduce the bug. or we're doing the mpb thing.
asciilifeform: now, i ~believe~ phf in re poetteringerized sbcl being a rusted chunk of ???
asciilifeform: the one where плохому танцору... etc
asciilifeform: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#38 <<< see also.
asciilifeform: phf: please consider posting the src.
asciilifeform: i'd be curious to see if they are reproducible in 'toy' scene
asciilifeform: perhaps deserves bl0g post..?
asciilifeform: trinque: eh it went.
asciilifeform: why is the turd still floating, trinque ?
asciilifeform: !!v BEFEFE64D099D3EA094ADFC311B9D3BC5CB96B14252251B8913A1C48C1830AD4
asciilifeform: !!rate covertress -1 insistent idiocy
asciilifeform pictures dept. of ninjashogunate in meeting hall, 'what did we fuck up this time'
asciilifeform: *transit
asciilifeform: sic transic decimation-with-cunt
asciilifeform: phf: aha. when i get back to actual comp, i'll dig
asciilifeform: try with pre-1 ?
asciilifeform: phf: ick
asciilifeform: which sbcl was this, ftr ?
asciilifeform: ahahahaha lolk
asciilifeform: db has no search ?
asciilifeform: why does it live in lispspace?
asciilifeform: much less 500
asciilifeform: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#413 << what exactly uses so much as 1MB, phf ?
asciilifeform back to bed, with 'lure of the integers', bbl.
asciilifeform: for fuxxsake.
asciilifeform: why am i reading a tardstalk link.
asciilifeform: 'I'm building a Blockchain-as-a-Service (BaaS) corporation and a foundation, to guide and support the open source, public blockchain, KR.'
asciilifeform: precrime squad winz!11111
asciilifeform: from moving forward.” '
asciilifeform: 'While details of Cook’s actions and the alleged threat have not been publicly released, law enforcement officials have said they believe the threat was real, but has been stopped by Cook’s arrest. “There’s been no evidence to suggest the involvement of anyone else locally and no evidence that I’m aware of that indicates anyone is on their way here,” Gibbons said. “The intervention happened early enough to prevent this
asciilifeform: Madison County State’s Attorney Tom Gibbons has said that Cook was in communication with a known terrorist organization overseas via multiple electronic means. Police were first aware of Cook on Aug. 24 after Madison County sheriff’s deputies were summoned by a family member regarding Cook’s mental state. Family members have said he suffers from multiple mental illnesses.'
asciilifeform: 'A Madison County grand jury returned an indictment Thursday charging a Godfrey teenager with terror-related offenses. Keaun L. Cook, 18, has been charged with one count of material support for terrorism and one count of making a terrorist threat, both of which are class X felonies. He is accused of making verbal threats of mass casualty events at multiple locations in Madison County, which have not been disclosed by law enforcement.
asciilifeform: http://www.bnd.com/news/local/crime/article102204712.html << BingoBoingo , even better lulz from same rag.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this happens regularly.
asciilifeform: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RTujDrqbwBU/TYOb5OUEYOI/AAAAAAAAA7Q/XIUS7Bki-LI/s1600/Fuck+Saw+01a.jpg << correct use.
asciilifeform: oblig.
asciilifeform: sawzall >>>>> http://static.wixstatic.com/media/d83b3d_72ff342904414e72a142a5aebb76c6ed.jpg_srz_p_540_360_75_22_0.5_1.2_0_jpg_srz
asciilifeform: ( 'Rivest-Shamir-Adleman public key cryptosystems do not always conceal messages.' G.R. Blakley, I. Borosh. 1979. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: in other not-quite-noose, 'To every pair p, q of distinct primes there correspond 9 positive integers x no larger than pq such that x^c ≡ x mod (pq) for every odd positive integer c. Therefore these 9 messages x are unconcealable in any Rivest-Shamir-Adleman public key cryptosystem which has the product pq for its encoding modulus.'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lel that looks like infamous 'vicegrip', 'the wrong tool for every job'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in some cases, aha
asciilifeform: she, iirc, used my recipe, even
asciilifeform: ... diana_coman ?
asciilifeform: didn't we have a successful gentoo initiation recently ? who was it
asciilifeform: this is typical.
asciilifeform: thing prolly can't distinguish between bad-decrypt-because-bad-pw and bad-decrypt-because-author-was-dropped-as-a-child
asciilifeform unfamiliar with disk crypto on openbsd
asciilifeform: eventually there will be separate 'underground' suppliers for ~reasonable building materials, just like you can only get actual food in usa from 'special' suppliers.
asciilifeform: because there is exactly nothing that would prevent it.
asciilifeform: it will continue
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: realize, this is invitation for the next round of metal-softening.
asciilifeform hoards screws, and regrets nothing
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'abundance for all.' 'progress.'
asciilifeform: aaaah so ~that~ is what it was.
asciilifeform: that's a ~month of (very threadbare) salt mine, ffs.
asciilifeform: maybe heard it befoar.
asciilifeform: somehow i knew he'd say this.
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: i'm sure they will 'thank' adlai when they instead have to program in a salt mine.
asciilifeform: adlai: do you actually think that you are doing them a favour thereby ?
asciilifeform: adlai: we were discussing a dude who quit bell labs when it turned into lucent and 'well-managed' etc.
asciilifeform: ( lol, i'm not the only one who was ever tempted to eat'em ?!! )