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shinohai: I swear my New Year's resolution is to move further away from the Debian crutch.

shinohai: btw it compiled on that old Ubuntu server I always test on too ... same as deb smooth as butter

mod6: i do have a method (basically all automated) for one to build a static bitcoind via V inside of rotor for a x86 i386/i686 env, but not for ARM :/

mod6: hmm. so yeah, the key will be to get these deps compiled statically. i might be wrong, but alf's pogo related things might have some sample configurations for getting these statically built on ARM. ☟︎

shinohai: I had a doctored makefile on my old lappy, forgot to make a copy xD

mod6: <+shinohai> jurov: I found it, twas in the logs. Only happens on arm but twas easy fix << were you able to get openssl/boost/bdb built statically then for ARM 32bit?

pete_dushenski: i learned this after watching all his movies as a kid, and laughing my innocent little head off, i'm sure

pete_dushenski: factoid o' the day : leslie nielson and i went to the same high school

shinohai: For some reason I am a huge fan of Leslie Nielson

pete_dushenski: it made me hesitant to re-watch naked gun, which i adored as a kid.

pete_dushenski: i wanted to like it because 'movie from when u.s. still had proper enemies' but it was waaay too painful

pete_dushenski: shinohai: i tried watching airplane (1980) recently, maybe a month or two ago, but i had to turn it off after about 20 minutes, so unbearable was the lethargic pace and hollow 'humour'

pete_dushenski: i know this is just supposed to be 'normal soviet retardation' but holy jeez does this get my goat

assbot: Logged on 30-10-2015 00:01:12; pete_dushenski: speaking of costumes, i've pulled off the most magical trio for the family for this halloween : papa is the beplaided farmer, mama the milky moo-cow, baby the curious calf !

assbot: Logged on 30-10-2015 17:41:37; gabrielradio: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310924 << i definitely have. sadly, i showed it to some chick some time ago. now she's telling me she's pregnant :(

pete_dushenski: aha. i suppose the nodules/bulbs on the horizontals give it away

pete_dushenski: the prairie schools built around here a century ago are often left derelict for lack of funding. i could see revamping one.

assbot: Logged on 31-10-2015 03:15:59; v_diddy: i don't think pete's actually interested in /building/ the skoolarium

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i don't think that is stable.\

shinohai: jurov: I found it, twas in the logs. Only happens on arm but twas easy fix.

shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 After 5 hours ... failed here: http://dpaste.com/29XT657 I think I wrote down somewhere how to fix it tho xD

trinque: adlai: can you think of a reason why I'd have a different transaction ID for your last deed?

trinque: for adlai's last deed, the transaction that made it into the blockchain is not the one for which I have the transaction ID

assbot: Logged on 30-10-2015 15:57:35; mike_c: ;;later tell adlai yeah, I don't see why not. I'll take a look at posting it somewhere.

mircea_popescu: Diederik Stapel, noted Dutch psychologist, was recently outed for massive scientific fraud, i.e. he made up all his studies. "All of them?" Does it matter?

jurov: i can imagine letting the car drive itself with the "rescues" can be exhilarating, but... brrrrr

mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/10/you_are_the_98.html <<< best ever analysis of "ows" derpage. so good i don't even want to write one myself.

mircea_popescu: i guess easier to count all insanity as third rather than actually increment the accumulator and handle overflows.

assbot: MFW my husband asks me if I'll work out while he's deployed. : TrollXChromosomes ... ( http://bit.ly/1WnLG46 )

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i also like cocks (mine) and women (my own) and so on.

ascii_field: but i thought mircea_popescu ~liked~ paywalls...?

assbot: Logged on 31-10-2015 22:29:23; mircea_popescu: "Whenever I see a reference to a statement that seems insane to me, two things will be true: 1. It will take me as long to get the study as it did to conduct the study, i.e. 45 minutes. No hyperlink. No free access. Then I have to go into the university's PubMed, which takes me through three windows to Science Direct or some other outlet. Why, oh why, can't I just click "(15)" in the original pap

assbot: Logged on 31-10-2015 21:43:27; mircea_popescu: i has lulzed enough to last me the month.

ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312886 << what if i admitted to having extracted it... ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 31-10-2015 21:34:31; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312712 << the more i think abvout it the more i understand the "display has its own computer" cut of this gordian knot.

mircea_popescu: "Whenever I see a reference to a statement that seems insane to me, two things will be true: 1. It will take me as long to get the study as it did to conduct the study, i.e. 45 minutes. No hyperlink. No free access. Then I have to go into the university's PubMed, which takes me through three windows to Science Direct or some other outlet. Why, oh why, can't I just click "(15)" in the original paper and immediately ☟︎

jurov: spam isn't as nutritional as i thought, seems

jurov: asciilifeform: sadly i don't have your message because it started eating the bounces for yet unknown reason

mircea_popescu: i has lulzed enough to last me the month. ☟︎

assbot: Logged on 31-10-2015 16:46:49; asciilifeform: phf: in case this wasn't obvious, i was not speaking of a ~literal~ return to v6

shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 Success I guess? http://dpaste.com/3WH9Q58

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312712 << the more i think abvout it the more i understand the "display has its own computer" cut of this gordian knot. ☝︎☟︎

assbot: Logged on 31-10-2015 16:17:23; jurov: *every* time i did anything nontrivial with #include <string.h> it ended up by drawing stuff on paper

assbot: Logged on 31-10-2015 15:43:21; asciilifeform: as a native of what latinate folks regard as likewise a 'hieroglyphs' language, i STILL favour the abolition of 'hieroglyphs display on EVERY box'

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312629 << hey, i nullrouted orc glyphs in romanian text! not even computing, literature. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: (though i've read many convincing arguments that utf-8 is new jersey brain dead) << al lyou need to know is that it's what seems to have been left standing once the pain of "gotta support bullshit" washed off.

mircea_popescu: maybe when i retire i'll learn to lisp.

mircea_popescu: im going to have breakfast before i pop a vein

asciilifeform: eh i'd be spewing greek then

mircea_popescu: i count myself fortunate you don't know about j/g

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i beg your pardon ?!

mircea_popescu: "oh, hurr, i kinda like the bible and my name is john smith".

mircea_popescu: and i will ritously say this is americanism at its finest. "oh, i like this girl, what need of her fambly ? we'll just live together under a blanked of sky, alone, like those two kids in the chinese myth!".

jurov: meh. i'll believe you both when you in the names of simplicity, shot "ignore whitespaces" too.

assbot: Logged on 31-10-2015 15:32:52; jurov: i want diff to be usable for any text files, not just code

assbot: Logged on 31-10-2015 15:09:58; asciilifeform: where do i meet all of these mythical people who own a computer, use gpg, but do not know enough english to operate it without this garbage ?

mircea_popescu: i suppose the people who inform me also didn't think much of it.

mircea_popescu: i never really followed it.

asciilifeform: except that i'm not convinced that cryptome was ever a human thing

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312574 << if the "there are subtle" were actually a specific list, i would be much more convinced. ☝︎

asciilifeform: and many anti-kudos to the authors of the package for making me do what i had to do.

mircea_popescu: ie, yes, i knew.

jurov: yes, i'm doing it on purpose

asciilifeform: phf: in case this wasn't obvious, i was not speaking of a ~literal~ return to v6 ☟︎

phf: actually i don't think v6 has threads

phf: could crosscompile the core, but openssl/boost, i don't even imagine the scope of that one

asciilifeform: 'I'M JWZ AND I JUST WANT SHIT TO WURK!'

jurov: can you point me to a line number? i fail to see it there

asciilifeform: i suppose this is not a bad time for one of my usual batshit monologues:

asciilifeform: by 'words' i meant uint16_t's

jurov: asciilifeform: i see thirs of the code dealing with various "ignore whitespace" kludges

phf: jurov: so did i, and i appreciate utf-8 in my music selection or random durp i download from the internet. i wouldn't care if there's some frequent surrogate issue with track file names, but i do care that i can't have a professional tool where that sort of questions have predictable, if not necessarily easy and fun answers

jurov: around 2000 i had on my system files and filenames in cp852, koi8, iso8859-2 and cp1250 encodings... no thanks

phf: i personally prefer the lc_ctype=koi8-r solution, but that's because i'm a retrograde :p

jurov: i mean, remove extended chars from everythign that goes in

phf: but i'm not talking about diff specifically, i'm saying that whatever decissions are being made about diff now are going to influence the kind of work we'll have to do in the future ☟︎

jurov: *every* time i did anything nontrivial with #include <string.h> it ended up by drawing stuff on paper ☟︎

jurov: btw, that "string" = "byte array" thing, specifically people who like to do pointer arithmetic around it caused enough grief i won't miss it at all

phf: i think the argument against that is that ascii is trying to build a b-a system starting with small tools out. if you're claiming to support unicode in your diff, that necessarily means that "done by other tool" is automatically included in the scope of future b-a work

jurov: phf i proposed just ignore them

phf: jurov: variadic anywhere in your string handling machinery means that you no longer have a meaningful concept of string, i.e. nth printable character is an nth object in array, instead everything that you manipulate is a stream with a state machine attached. be that utf-8 at the encoding level, or ucs-4 at the storage level which brings in surrogates and supplementary characters

asciilifeform: and i have another.

jurov: not just printed. i want to see diff working over it

phf: jurov: i'm actually just trying to bridge your position and ascii's since i'm pretty indifferent personally to outcome of the decision. i used to latex by typing funny us-ascii combinations to produce cyrillic metafont renderings, and i also am intimately familiar with what's involved in support "other encoding, nat'l sorting, normalized/unnormalized chars", and it's a pita.

asciilifeform: i favour the old msdos solution instead

asciilifeform: as a native of what latinate folks regard as likewise a 'hieroglyphs' language, i STILL favour the abolition of 'hieroglyphs display on EVERY box' ☟︎

asciilifeform: sorry. i did not invent unix

phf: utf-8 is a solution if you're ok iwth variadic encoding (though i've read many convincing arguments that utf-8 is new jersey brain dead), but the main issue is that full support of unicode is impossible withtout massive amounts of machinery. and you're going to butt head against the internal storage format and all the varieities of ucs-*, and ~then~ you're going to run into issues of normalization and multiple mappings and such

jurov: i understand but it does not mean it must be done that way

jurov: i want diff to be usable for any text files, not just code ☟︎

asciilifeform: punkman: i specifically did not include it in my signed copy of 'vdiff' because it is a workaround for people with broken boxes.

punkman: also, wasn't LC_ALL=C needed for consistent ordering in diffs? I have it in mine

asciilifeform: jurov: there are specially-made tools for this (see the screenshots on mircea_popescu's www in the phuctor 3-parter article re: what i used)

jurov: why shouldn't i be able to diff files with extended characters?

punkman: dunno, I have a lot of code with unicode strings/comments

asciilifeform: where do i meet all of these mythical people who own a computer, use gpg, but do not know enough english to operate it without this garbage ? ☟︎

jurov: i feel very dense now...v_diddy is sean combs? and you all congrat him for what?

punkman: i see. pretty dense history lesson there

asciilifeform: punkman: where i live, tenure is still a thing. in that the courts have held it to be a perverse kind of nontransferable property interest

punkman: asciilifeform: a tenured prof is prolly the closest thing that presently exists in the western world to ~titled nobility~ << I don't buy it. Back when tenure was a thing, they wanted to keep professors around until parts started falling off. Now there's an endless stream of "professors", and gotta hire them so they can say "our PHDs get jobs"