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ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:50:33 jfw: trinque: one approach is if money flows and wants patching support, to sell subscriptions covering some defined set of things. Do such clients exist? I don't know but seems like these tend to be large corps already in submission to USG and can just as well buy RedHat

trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955611 << rather, I favor the approach of finding someone whose business processes suck, and who manages a good chunk of money

trinque: I don't think there's much daylight between our perspectives on this

trinque: What is banned is any decision from your graphics stack informing a decision on whether I have the shitwad of deps your graphics stack demands.

trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955605 << I don't mean to say everything from modern computing is banned.

BingoBoingo: mike_c: I recommend you hop into #agriculturalsupremacy #asciilifeform or #ossasepia to speak.

BingoBoingo: lobbes: I do too for obvious reasons. Still more I hope he takes it for the less obvious effects.

BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955608 << mp_en_viaje Aite, I have a sound argument. Gets more expensive every time it is played. Seems to be the strongest in favor of mike_c if only he takes it. Waited roughly a day to give him the deets http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955594

lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955640 << I'm hoping mike_c takes BingoBoingo's offer, as I think that process alone stands to carve some answers

lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955643 << I see what you mean now; there will always be a need to suss out a commonality in proper use of various public shit (or else it ends with the same "what republic?")

jfw: Come to think of it, this stricter usage is compatible with what I'd read about what start-ups are, so not sure why I defaulted to the broader/confused notion for "involved with start-ups in any capacity", perhaps because lots call themselves things as you say.

jfw: Perhaps not start-ups in that sense then? or at least I wasn't there at the starting of.

jfw: mp_en_viaje: I was hired labor, did not hold securities.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:54:55 jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955362 - that'd be why I'm sewing an air-gapped wallet by hand. No amount of software-level patching can protect 1000btc sitting on networked PC I figure.

ossabot: Logged on 2018-01-28 00:58:37 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other chicks can code moments, "I earned my degree and license in cosmetology and had a horrible career as a hair dresser that I ended in 2015 due to social anxiety. I still love hair theory, and I even really enjoy working on people with whom I share a close relationship, but now I'm in pursuit of a new path."

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:18:46 jfw: After their hack / loss and change of ownership, they downsized to 3-4 people, none of whom could really maintain the redeployed systems. So I ended up doing some part-time for them in 2016. This was short-lived: I found their priorities entirely out of whack, it looked like they were headed for nothing but more trouble, and they didn't listen to me on much of anything. The pretense pump I reckon.

mp_en_viaje: "he fucked my 3yo daughter with a barbed metal pole, here are the bloody remains", for instance. you'll ignore ~everything~, "he's always been paying rent on time so i really don't care about the corspes" ?

mp_en_viaje: conversely, you also can't ask me to talk to people i don't want to talk to, i'm not a public woman.

mp_en_viaje: ie, i'm not asking you to tell me what you think i should think about mike_c ; i established that for myself, and stated it for your information back in 2018. i am however asking you to tell me what you think my thoughts on mike_c should do to, eg, coin he thinks i owe him.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 20:04:01 lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955551 << I keep coming back to this point. The meaning of any rating is something that each individual must weigh for themselves, isn't it? Could there be a 'blanket' upfront decision as such? (Very possible I'm just not picking up the nuance, however)

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955571 << consider the matter of services. this question pops in all over the place, alf was all over trinque re "what happens with deedbot if i get negrated". i din't invent this question, it's been recurring, mod6 asked me at some point something similar

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:33:09 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955528 - thing is, even "the negrated" is not an entirely clear thing for me; I could see it as "loss of citizenship hence of rights" at one extreme; it is however just that - one extreme.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955566 << what exactly it means surely could benefit from some clarification. one strong strand in there is the (so far well formalized in history) "i am not interested in what you have to say"

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:19:10 diana_coman: I have to admit that I can't quite see a way one would go exactly about making a decision based on a case argued on this sort of thing but then again, it would be the first so I don't find it all that surprising that it's not clear upfront, ofc.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 14:28:53 trinque: I skipped it in cuntoo as well, for equally bad reasons.

jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955376 - to make my reasons for inclusion by reference rather than importing trees explicit, even if bad: on my own I was certainly in no position to pay the maintenance debts of all those projects, so I wanted some separation between my own work and them. As I see it now, the trouble is this doesn't actually solve anything if you still have to use

jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955362 - that'd be why I'm sewing an air-gapped wallet by hand. No amount of software-level patching can protect 1000btc sitting on networked PC I figure.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 17:06:35 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955541 - I have to admit that I rather considered this sort of situations to be more a matter between the people directly involved and as such it didn't seem to me that there was a need for some sort of upfront decision.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955551 << i don't think this view is sound, because it essentially destroys the possibility of a republic. the term literally denotes "things held in common". whether these are women, sacks of grain, ships, itineraries or ideas can be mixed and matched ; but that SOMETHING will be held in common, and thus not "between the people themselves" is the quintessential prerequisite of a republic, and in genera

mp_en_viaje: in other news, tukey internet is kinda iffy. if i blink nobody panic.

jfw: trinque: one approach is if money flows and wants patching support, to sell subscriptions covering some defined set of things. Do such clients exist? I don't know but seems like these tend to be large corps already in submission to USG and can just as well buy RedHat

mp_en_viaje: i only get pissy at nubbins-"arguing"

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 11:31:00 BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c This is a high risk case, and it presents an especially high danger for anyone arguing it on your behalf. My greatest asset is my WoT position, and should I argue your case and recover the coin... The argument that will have won your coin will present a risk to my WoT position if it is later found to be bad precedent.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 14:05:02 trinque: "While I have striven to make prudent and security-conscious choices, I am not attempting to keep up with the "penetrate and patch" rat-race in its many third-party components." << This is somewhat concerning, in that you say "eh" about the "many third-party components". I'd instead try for the minimal possible bootable src surface area.

jfw: trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955361 - I don't disagree on either point really, but not sure what anyone can realistically say about the current software mess beyond 'eh'. Minimizing or moreover replacing socialistware with sane things is the long term approach, but meanwhile one still needs things to work. I'm curious to see what you're cooking for sure.

jfw: After their hack / loss and change of ownership, they downsized to 3-4 people, none of whom could really maintain the redeployed systems. So I ended up doing some part-time for them in 2016. This was short-lived: I found their priorities entirely out of whack, it looked like they were headed for nothing but more trouble, and they didn't listen to me on much of anything. The pretense pump I reckon.

jfw: That'd be my template for a more conservative startup I suppose. When I moved to Panama (late 2013) and met dorion, he had recently started an entry-level position at Coinapult, which was running on Wall St. financing. I met some of them, at one point inquired about a job but was declined.

jfw: my first and longest 'real' job was with an IT consulting shop, started in 2000 amid the dotcom rubble by some IBM mainframe & Linux people; they self-bootstrapped starting from existing relationships and had reached maybe 15 people when I started in 2007. I did mainly internal sysadmin work.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:25:10 mp_en_viaje: actually, i don't recall you ever saying, either of you ever been involved with start-ups in any capacity ?

lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955551 << I keep coming back to this point. The meaning of any rating is something that each individual must weigh for themselves, isn't it? Could there be a 'blanket' upfront decision as such? (Very possible I'm just not picking up the nuance, however)

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:55 mp_en_viaje: i get we're basically getting scammed by the duplicitous nature of the lazy, and will be, forever. cuz that's how the world goes, that's how laziness survives as a survival mechanism in the first place. but i'd much rather we understand each other on the topic, than it just proceed on my authority and then whatever, ten years later it'll be "mp just shouldn't have paid all these asshats" or who the fuck knows what

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:53 mp_en_viaje: so... i think it's high time we have a conversation about it, and a l1 consultus on the topic, and so forth. what, exactly, is the negrated to get from the republic ? and why ? and wherefore ?

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955528 - ie, I find I simply can't answer this in the form stated.

BingoBoingo: I don't even see loss of citizenship and therefore rights as an extreme meaning of a negrating, especially at -10. That's more of a -1, -2

diana_coman: I suppose not even the extreme actually, no, hm.

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955528 - thing is, even "the negrated" is not an entirely clear thing for me; I could see it as "loss of citizenship hence of rights" at one extreme; it is however just that - one extreme.

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: In mike_c's case, I am very confident I can make the case that gets his coin back. The argument is grounded in Republican doctrine as I understand it, proceeds from cause, does not import Pantsuitisms, and is incredibly removed from the late ROTA's derpitude.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:17 mp_en_viaje: however i'm also getting prety sick of all this self-uppity cuntery whereby douche "gets upset" at mpex/republic/the world. as if there even CAN BE such a thing as "upset at the totality of existence".

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955517 - I can fully see this, usually a sort of "can pick and choose".

BingoBoingo: I can't explain the proposal or the strategy in plaintext unless it is accepted by the one requiring an advocate in the forum.

diana_coman: I have to admit that I can't quite see a way one would go exactly about making a decision based on a case argued on this sort of thing but then again, it would be the first so I don't find it all that surprising that it's not clear upfront, ofc.

diana_coman: BingoBoingo: I can see at least from one angle how&why you'd structure the proposal precisely as you did; at any rate though, it's your proposal and your consideration of the issue so if the exact reasoning behind it is to be explained, it will be explained by you, surely.

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Ah, I thought maybe you were taking the infuriating nature of the things encountered during the research as informative of the price/shape of my proposal.

diana_coman: BingoBoingo: I get the impression there's some parallel talking here, lol; I wasn't linking my "infuriating" with your proposal, lolz.

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: It's a nuanced thing. There is very good reason the proposal I put in channel is structured *exactly* the way it is.

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955541 - I have to admit that I rather considered this sort of situations to be more a matter between the people directly involved and as such it didn't seem to me that there was a need for some sort of upfront decision.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-16 05:40:11 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-09#1954632 <-- I'm certainly looking at that, wanna sample some items for both daily use and testing. the apu1 seems like a good candidate

dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-16#1955488 << nice. I've not used the apu1 myself.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-16 05:36:02 spyked: !Qlater tell dorion_road in UEFI study/review news, I'm behind with all my tasks on the subject. I'm slowly getting back on track this week, aiming to have a report published by monday the 23rd

dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-16#1955485 << ok, thanks for the update. I'm looking forward to your report monday.

BingoBoingo: There are good arguments for paying sleepers who slept their way into negratings, but... I am anti-inclined to give them away for free.

BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c Since the discussion appears ready to happen sooner rather than later I give you the option of sending 35BTC to 15eVXAW7k8uKc5moDFUSc9Y3jmHFAenNXo as a retainer. As it is 2019 I'll assume 35 BTC arriving at the address is yours and not someone else's misfire.

BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c I am willing to argue your case. Without your providing more details the cost structure is as follows: 35 BTC up front, 10 BTC to be refunded if my argument on your behalf loses. The best way for you to start negotiating this price downward is starting a conversation about the case in #agriculturalsupremacy

BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mike_c This is a high risk case, and it presents an especially high danger for anyone arguing it on your behalf. My greatest asset is my WoT position, and should I argue your case and recover the coin... The argument that will have won your coin will present a risk to my WoT position if it is later found to be bad precedent.

mp_en_viaje: an' i shall gladly read the positions of everyone as published in the meanwhile.

mp_en_viaje: i'll be exploring nis today ; and will be in sofia sometime tomorrow so we can have a proceeding on all these interesting topics no earlier than then.

mp_en_viaje: i get we're basically getting scammed by the duplicitous nature of the lazy, and will be, forever. cuz that's how the world goes, that's how laziness survives as a survival mechanism in the first place. but i'd much rather we understand each other on the topic, than it just proceed on my authority and then whatever, ten years later it'll be "mp just shouldn't have paid all these asshats" or who the fuck knows what (priorly seen) nonsense.

mp_en_viaje: so... i think it's high time we have a conversation about it, and a l1 consultus on the topic, and so forth. what, exactly, is the negrated to get from the republic ? and why ? and wherefore ?

a111: Logged on 2013-11-13 21:06 Bugpowder: I lost enough for a few teslas on JD though

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 05:51:56 snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:06:04 lobbes: indeed, is a scam. I fell for the 'well, my mortgage will be a fixed cost vs rising rents' thinking, but neglected to factor in cost of maintenance, rising property taxes, whathaveyou

mp_en_viaje: until that time comes, it's the optionality show on days of his lives channel, no problemo. like for instance he could... what could he do ? he could never miss a day of tv, or jury duty, or sucking dick at the airport, or whatever the fuck else (by which "else" i do mean ~same~) they do in the zone.

mp_en_viaje: however i'm also getting prety sick of all this self-uppity cuntery whereby douche "gets upset" at mpex/republic/the world. as if there even CAN BE such a thing as "upset at the totality of existence".

mp_en_viaje: now back on the record here : i have absolutely no intention of reinstating his mpex account. that ain't happening ; but that aside i also have no problem paying, in principle. god knows i've been paying loads of these, and what's a hundred btc or whatever, who even cares about pennies like that (right ?).

mp_en_viaje: i suggest you find a lord willing to speak for you, because i'm not interested in hearing what else you have to say. pick a limber one, too, you sure can use the help (and whoever you are -- make sure you get paid well, and in advance. pantsuits love their zone so much, let them have what they like, it's the least you could do for them).

mp_en_viaje: mike_c yeah, as it happens i can tell you what got "gummed up" : you got negrated meanwhile. what, this escaped your notice ?

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-15 23:17:48 mike_c: I've been following the snsa wind down recently. Makes sense at this point, and I'm sorry it didn't work out!

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-15#1955478 << kinda disappointing i suppose, from the pov of "well, we invested, were patient for years, y bupkiss!"

mp_en_viaje: wth am i doing wrong now

mp_en_viaje: !Qlater tell mike_c on the road right now, i'ma look at it tonght/tomorrow morning depending on traffics

mp_en_viaje: !Q later tell mike_c on the road right now, i'ma look at it tonght/tomorrow morning depending on traffics

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 12:10:44 BingoBoingo: Reading the ongoing conversations in the forums and castles, I get a building suspicion that further cutting on Gentoo is going to start looking like cutting on CrystalSpace

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 11:54:20 dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-07#1954458 << I'd tend to agree with the suspicion. First I think it'd be helpful to know the cost of acquiring TMSR bootbable hardware. Defining was TMSR bootbale hardware means and listing the 'known good' board that are already supported by coreboot or similar would be a good start.

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-09#1954632 <-- I'm certainly looking at that, wanna sample some items for both daily use and testing. the apu1 seems like a good candidate

spyked: !Qlater tell dorion_road in UEFI study/review news, I'm behind with all my tasks on the subject. I'm slowly getting back on track this week, aiming to have a report published by monday the 23rd

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954731 <-- I've been all good for the last week, but I got caught up in meat works (finding new apartment and starting to move, mostly) just when I was about to catch a breath. unfortunately breathing's gonna have to wait until the end of the month.

mike_c: Thought I'd ask if anything changed with the proxies or other mechanisms in the last couple of weeks that might have gummed things up.

mike_c: I pulled a MPEX statement in november, but post-dividend I have not been able to (getting the 'Unrecognized signature. Please email your public key first.')

mike_c: As an ex-shareholder, I was not surprised but still impressed at the orderly liquidation.

mike_c: having been there a couple of times myself, I empathize.

mike_c: I've been following the snsa wind down recently. Makes sense at this point, and I'm sorry it didn't work out!

feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/messrs-doo-i-sprat-international-communications-partners/ << Trilema -- Messrs. D.O.O. & I. Sprat, International Communications Partners.

mp_en_viaje: this is kinda why i say, the numbers are bullshit, what billions, 1 mn is factually exaggerate : IF they actually had some exports of any consequence, taxing them would be too stupid to try. the only way to do this sort of dumb shit is if the base is 0 anyway ; then you can tax it, triple it, whatever -- it all comes out same (=0) in the end

mp_en_viaje: i suppose the argentine team shows up at the boxing olympics, lines up and starts punching out its own face, too ?

mp_en_viaje: who the fuck taxes ~exports~ anyway ?! this might be the dumbest thing i ever heard, everyone's ~subsidizing~ exports, the euros give a >20% tax break with their whole vat scam, the chinos prolly more though it's byzantine, these idiots actually TAX it ?

BingoBoingo: In other news, the Argentines went from proposing the tourist dollar to finalizing their rate for it. 30% over official. I suspect the blue is going to have to beat 30% over official

mp_en_viaje: i think trump should be impeached for this totally blatant abuse of his office and meddling in congress pipedreaming where everyday hardworking americans' right to hallucination is cruelly mocked and manipulated by cynical foreigners.

mp_en_viaje: but schiff dun know about that, because i guess scott locklin mental issues.