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mp_en_viaje: i dunno what the chinese are to blame for.
asciilifeform: loox like another chinese victory then. like buenosaires.
mp_en_viaje: all day long 100% all effort spent trying to ~look a certain way~.
mp_en_viaje: nope. 100% imports. let me reiterate : they do not DO anything.
asciilifeform: incidentally is this one of those classical turdworld paradises with donkeys in the streets, cabs made from old nazi motorcycle, etc ?
trinque: a lot of them have the middle one too, folds out of back seat
mp_en_viaje: you know, sometimes they take the milkmaid for a ride in the back of the little milk truck on three wheeks
asciilifeform: what was that
mp_en_viaje: so you don't sit there like miss xue yue in the chicken coop.
asciilifeform: dunno that i've ever even been in a car without those, then
asciilifeform: or hm didja mean the thing attached to the inside of door
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, bogota is like, larger than delaware, you understand.
mp_en_viaje: i didn;t even know they still made cars without, why the everloving would you
asciilifeform: incidentally in what country are there cabs with back seat passenger arm rest ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: why wouldja want to sit in a cab for hour?! to go to brazil??
mp_en_viaje: eat my foot. an hour going about in the cab is $5
asciilifeform: hey, capitalism!11, 'if you can convince eaters to eat sawdust, you MUST', etc
mp_en_viaje: "got waffle and crepes joint ? " o ya, just like in madrid!" "but is it not open before noon ?" "of course not! just like in..." "...retardistan ? who the fuck eats crepes at any other time!"
mp_en_viaje: they're not DOING anything ; just trying to LOOK A CERTAIN WAY, with a minimum of expenditure. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: argentina does old italian mags and these idiots old spanish mags, but that's all the difference,
asciilifeform: 'ooh you thought this was a restaurant, not a sov factory cafeteria? funny'
mp_en_viaje: 100% serviceless economy, consisting of a bunch of dorks trying to look like the pictures in the decade old magazines from europe they got.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, 100% all the inept argentinian idiocies. "oh, you can't have that item from menu, it's not its hours yet" "bitch, say what ?" "we only sell things when WE feel like selling them, fu. welcome to bogota"
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 16:49 phf: etc. but the most pantsuit aspect of this situation? the infamous well written freebsd documentation is not up to date to any of these new improvements. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778884 << because the people doing it prolly puked and left. ☝︎
asciilifeform: lemme guess, finally met motorcyclists, and their uzis were plastic toys ?
mp_en_viaje: i fucking hate this town
asciilifeform: ( and took maybe a week to produce, starting from empty disks )
phf: yes, that would be the meaning of "all of"
asciilifeform: even dulap-III, heavy opteron box sitting on my desk and awaiting shipment to BingoBoingoistan, is a gentoo box.
asciilifeform: it is still afaik the healthiest horse in the glue factory.
asciilifeform: fwiw all of asciilifeform's current workhorse boxen are one or another variant of heavily-medicated gentoo, rather than anyffingelse
asciilifeform: ( notably this proved impossible , without complete manual control over ~everything~, under openbsd. as per old thread. )
asciilifeform: i was able to , e.g., emerge emacs and not suddenly see dbus appear. there isn't much moar that i even want from gentoo/portage.
phf: gentoo have left a bad taste in my mouth long time ago. i was running it for about a year since first release, and i was even really into python back then!
asciilifeform: the 1 truly frustrating item is the lcd crystal, is atrocious 1990s-style tft. but what can be done.
asciilifeform: ( and at this point i think i've tried every battery vendor known to make these )
asciilifeform: the 1 item that left a bitter taste was the battery, they're dead after about 6mo from unpacking. but gentoo is not to blame for this
asciilifeform: xconfig took 5min
phf: sure, but the amount of time you spent on gentoo recipe/kernel config, replicated on freebsd would possibly produce similar results. emacs, gnat, irc, etc runs.
asciilifeform: it runs ( the only www browsers are lynx and an elderly ff , however )
phf: eh, i haven't found anything that worked better or worse. everywhere i have to carve a haven, but put it on top of quicksand
asciilifeform: phf: err, strike that, suspend mode worked on vista!11
asciilifeform: phf: thus far sounds about as much fun as a winblowz vista box
shinohai: o7 mod6 ty
mod6: The Foundation has emplaced shinohai's seal for trb's 'genesis.vpatch' in the foundation repository @ http://thebitcoin.foundation. Thanks shinohai!
asciilifeform: sounds like sad ghost town
phf: likewise a lot of them pull gcc for build, lots of complaints about "llvm broke N" when you search for anything
phf: half the packaged in ports say that "there might be bugs since package is lacking maintainer", and we're talking shit like firefox, fvwm, etc.
asciilifeform has the ordinary, 2-hinged x60.
doppler: that's the nickname, yeah
doppler: there were tablet versions of both the x60 and x61
asciilifeform: but the screen folds back, and it has pen ?
phf: x60, says so on the label
asciilifeform: what box is this, exactly, phf ?
asciilifeform: x61 ( the kind i gave to g_l ) -- yes, had it
asciilifeform: i had nfi there was a x60 with wacom
asciilifeform: waitasec , touch screen ?
phf: i don't really want to waste much time tweaking the confs, so most things don't really work for now. i have audio and wifi, but suspend dosn't work, nor does the nifty touch screen, etc.
asciilifeform: i dun think i've ever sat on a working box with anything other than hand-sewn xorg.conf
phf: yeah, can get for now, but X doesn't magically start, so i need to figure out what's going on there. probably requires hand written xorg.conf
asciilifeform: can get back the old terms ? or not ?
phf: all the userlevel tools that syscons used? nope, entirely new set of tools for doing pretty much anything, ~with a completely different argument list~ ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'Pre-loading i915kms.ko/radeonkms.ko disables video output from the point of time these video drivers are attached until interrupt threads are enabled way later. This makes kernel panics during boot undebugable.' << ahahahahaha
phf: etc. but the most pantsuit aspect of this situation? the infamous well written freebsd documentation is not up to date to any of these new improvements. ☟︎
asciilifeform: lol not even vga term support anymoar
phf: "encodings other than ascii/utf-8" "no"
asciilifeform: and is there a systemd on freebsd yet
asciilifeform: lemme guess, is 'wayland' also on the conveyor.
phf: newcons is "unicode support" "double-width" "bigger font maps". guess what's not there? ~literally everything else that syscons~ supported
phf: well, it's subtle things, here's an example. the kernel vty used to be syscons for years, replaced by "newcons", standard for a couple of releases now
asciilifeform: but phf did mention 'butcher cut', i'm curious what the obvious wtfs were
asciilifeform: was more symptom than disease
phf: well, i like to take potshots at shitty systems as much as the next lord, but the publicized dev/random issue was there briefly and has officially been patched. i've not attempted to dive into dev/random though
asciilifeform not much interested in post-clangization freebsd; and currently dun have the time, energy to archaeologically unearth a working-on-recent-iron vintage
phf: freebsd is hilariously nerfed. you can see the butcher cut the pantsuits leave right through the middle of everything
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778747 << bios patched, but i haven't tried kernel conf, i'm running freebsd on it. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( granted , this has not happened in a while. the last major bout was perhaps the boot process itself, which was foolproof on classical pc arch up to late '90s, and then they 'had to' introduce acpiism, 'secure boot', abolition of the mbr, etc )
asciilifeform: if any part of the edifice ever shows any symptom of fully working, they re-fuck it. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and could even say 'if it worked, would be merely ugly' but of course just like other microshitisms it never fully works, and is eternal fountain of 'moar studies needed', 'buy the upgrade', 'your iron is obsolete' etc
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 16:31 asciilifeform: the sad thing re the iron , is that 'determine if installed, and if so, where on the bus' is often 80% of the driver !
asciilifeform: or, for instance, take the rathead-microshit Official answer to the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631805 problem : 'device trees' ( https://lwn.net/Articles/560523 and elsewhere. ) essentially same thing as the traditional microshit 'control panel' , but... biosized ☝︎
asciilifeform: re acpi as instrument of microshitization, observe how ( e.g. https://lwn.net/Articles/574439 ) it is being put in arm boxes, where 0 intel legacycrapola, and spearheaded by... redhat ( the designated microshit for 'linux' )
mp_en_viaje: instead config could populate allowed_html directly and be done with the pretense.
mp_en_viaje: ave1, would you consider gutting that entire class as a patch ? i have nfi why a "kses" bs is even needed. seems a case of giraffe's jugular.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, tis a sad state of affairs. this item in my hands is, in a physical sense, quite fine. but then there's this intervening bullshit. literally like kid with autism/depression/anxiety/whatever the fuck. it would work fine if it just weren't born to ustards in ustardia.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 19:14 asciilifeform: e.g., i still have not forgiven, and do not intend to forgive, the acpi 'soft' power supply switch.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-17 06:23 phf: but you're not supposed to touch those files directly, oh no, they are undocumented and what are you some kind of terrorist. instead there's 20 incompatible power/suspend/battery/sensor/fans/specialkeys control daemons in various states of disarray. "oh, if your fans don't kick in you want termald, or try batterd, which works with new lzmi acpi functions."
a111: Logged on 2015-05-26 23:42 mats: fun fact: there is a particular ACPI table in that you can put anywhere in a low range of memory during boot, and Windows will take the payload data, drop it as an EXE, and run it as SYSTEM.
a111: Logged on 2014-07-22 20:06 Mats_cd03: and, there is an ACPI table exclusively for telling Windows not to apply fixes for buggy hardware because its in a VM, and VMM emulation of the hardware doesn't include said bugs.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 13:51 ave1: or else allowed_html will be null and all tags are filtered away
asciilifeform: ( pretty much errybody who was in the pc iron business , and wanted to stay in it )
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, iirc toshiba also participated.
mp_en_viaje: "Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business." << j. a. donald
asciilifeform: whole arch as it exists today -- is a microshit production.
mp_en_viaje: and acpi is strictly "make sure nobody can EVER init the iron and get lost EVER, even if they try to"
asciilifeform: ^ know why acpi ? so that chip vendors can keep moarshit under nda etc.
asciilifeform: the 'fancy' firmware, for instance, that 'does things'. entirely the opposite of the 1980s 'init the iron and get the FUCK out of the way' practice.
mp_en_viaje: what's so forced about "no, you can't run code. if you want your hardware object '''configured''' or w/e the fuck, here's the bios api, pass data into it. if you can't, fix your printer"
asciilifeform: crapola all the way down.