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davout: i'm busy integrating
a brand new matching engine in our system, so that's the kind of feedback that's interesting for me
jurov: and
a lesson for me - i missed my best chance to meet chetty by being
a wussie and not going
a day sooner
☟︎ jurov: sad news. but what
a life!
copypaste: Or at least in theory you could, before they "paused" everything
a few hours ago.
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:24:02; gabriel_laddel: Why, stan, are threads
a bad idea?
adlai expresses solidarity in grief for
a woman he never knew; "Poo-tee-weet?"
pete_dushenski: "Let me start with the economy, and
a basic fact: the United States of America, right now, has the strongest, most durable economy in the world. We’re in the middle of the longest streak of private-sector job creation in history."
pete_dushenski: can't say i've ever had to reformat
a usb drive for that...
assbot: Y’know that post-industrial service economy thing ? Ya, it’s just another shitty command economy. | Contravex:
A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1RLaWg4 )
pete_dushenski: i guess the strange part is how unusual
a window into the last few hours and minutes of
a (really rather exceptional) human life it is, and how you'd never know unless you knew.
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:14:54; gabriel_laddel: No lisper to date has produced
a distro that DOES NOT CHANGE so one may use it as
a platform for application development. Lisp solves
a well-specified set of problems - ensuring that your algol reproducibly builds is not one of them.
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:08:37; mircea_popescu: "take your propeller-hat, your paranthesis and your spielhosen away from here and come back when you have
a fully native gfx stack."
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 00:59:45; mircea_popescu: incidentally if things are this fucked up, the correct avenue would probably be to define
a full gfx stack
phf: mircea_popescu: there's
a limited number of lispers and they all scratch their own itch. without centralized visions results barely compose. gabriel_laddel needs working clim for his projects. robert strandh only occasionally hacks on mcclim anymore, spends most of his time on n-th rewrite of emacs, etc. and of course there are arguments of what the components should be and how they should compose. the only common ground is the
gabriel_laddel: As for why
a lisper didn't write his own OS from ASM? Well, you've read Stan's blog.
gabriel_laddel: No lisper to date has produced
a distro that DOES NOT CHANGE so one may use it as
a platform for application development. Lisp solves
a well-specified set of problems - ensuring that your algol reproducibly builds is not one of them.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: Some 'lisper' who 'gets it' will implement
a 'lisp' on top of another system and declare that "for such and such political/business reasons, the system we're basing our lisp on won't change its foundations, and therefore we're safe to write code on top of it"
mircea_popescu: i can readily understand why the ~performance~ issue is
a true quagmire.
mircea_popescu: "take your propeller-hat, your paranthesis and your spielhosen away from here and come back when you have
a fully native gfx stack."
☟︎ phf: mircea_popescu: oh they do, that's
a common argument
mircea_popescu: yeah well... this logic is broken. so lisp is good because, and i quote, "Because Lisp, as
a tool, is to the mind as the lever is to the arm. It amplifies your power and enables you to embark on projects beyond the scope of lesser languages like C. Writing in C is like building
a mosaic out of lentils using
a tweezer and glue. Lisp is like wielding an air gun with power and precision. It opens out whole kingdoms
phf: mircea_popescu: here as in in #b-
a mircea_popescu: incidentally if things are this fucked up, the correct avenue would probably be to define
a full gfx stack
☟︎ phf: mircea_popescu: i think that there's
a bunch of people trying to chuck moore their way out of "modern computing" here, as such there's not native anything
gabriel_laddel: phf: "because can still attach c program outputs" + "zen doesn't support most of the modern x11 extensions, that you might want for running something like firefox". We have CLIM irc,
a listener (repl), an editor, dired + other. I don't particularly want to run c programs. You'd just end up reinventing CLIM anyways after you notice that "gee, it would be nice to have draggable crossbars in my GUI and geometry".
mats: we were almost finalized on
a small project where he'd design
a widget and send me 3d prints of the prototype
phf: gabriel_laddel: gnuplot, xfoil kind of output, i.e. batch graphic, or anything that requires input with
a mouse
gabriel_laddel: "i've been building my own tools to be essentially
a combination of cmucl repl, that spawn xlib windows on demand" << xlib windows that display what exactly? Large GUIs? Renderings of novel structures?
phf: gabriel_laddel: i was drunk when answering you last time. i like the idea of
a self-contained lisp system with ux built on top of xproto/xlib/zen, because can still attach c program outputs, and stream own output to unix systems proper. i've been building my own tools to be essentially
a combination of cmucl repl, that spawn xlib windows on demand. not sure if you know but x is essentially
a binary network protocol (described in
mircea_popescu: "oh, i'm not like those suckers working at pretending haskell is
a thing ... i'm better than them... i'ma do the same thing by myself!!!!1" herp.
mircea_popescu: actually... when it came time for the cantor proof, the "work hard" galz tried to copy the whole fucking matrix off the table, and this made
a meme at the time
mircea_popescu: in fact, the eulora experience is very much in line with
a lengthy personal history whereby very smart, well intentioned, patient people trying to cater to my shockingly insane whims and whines end up with exceptionally well crafted items that stand proudly on their own.
mircea_popescu: not by any means all my doing. but the design is sane and yes, it does. she's currently making
a map of resources in practically this.
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, english does NOT guarantee you
a sane (disambiguated) AST.
mircea_popescu: jurov there's
a difference between
a proper existing ast, such as we have with words, unless we're idiots ; and
a random gcc barf product.
jurov: well if I have to explore context what
a word mean, well, then it is C++ too
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i did say many times that
a canonical representation of whatever is, rightfully, sexpr
mircea_popescu: jurov the later is actually part of the graph. i can not meaningfully search for
a motherfucking dot.
mircea_popescu: if you expect to have
a [ that scales to lines, we got
a problem. there's not going to be any 244/245/179 bs
jurov: how is adding symbols different from you taking
a word and redefining it?
mircea_popescu: as long as what we do is we take ((1,2),(2,3)) and either print it as such or else draw it for your benefit as seen there, if you run
a plug in everyone's happy.
mircea_popescu: not even. it's just that i'm so allergic to "dynamically linked" bullshit that i barf at the very notion of
a computing system that might need "expansions" because people don't want ot learn to read and write
mircea_popescu: it's not only unspecified, it's also... unusable by
a machine. because who the fuck knows when you'll feel the need for colored unicodemen
mircea_popescu: currently what alf counts as "notation" for math is roughly speaking
a sort of c++
ascii_butugychag: jurov: it was originally about 'whether maths require
a graphics terminal'
trinque: as for music I prefer
a tracker, or yes, writing code to produce it
ascii_butugychag: verbalize this for me. and explain why anyone outside of
a mental asylum would want to manipulate the thing in that form.
trinque: and you are missing the part where I'm asking
a damn question.
trinque: he is *not*
a good example of someone creating
a sane language
ascii_butugychat: (how to write integral? what if i want the stick longer? do i have to spend all day fitting the bloody thing to
a grid?)
jurov: symbolic shorthand is very useful for
a mathematician who want to pack as much stuff as possible into his viewport/chalkboard
ascii_butugychat: (but not that i do not earn my bread in front of
a classroom, also)
user1675_: i would like to take
a fraction of my time to talk about
trinque: the comment about syntactic barriers was this, that if the hieroglyphs keep dummies from mauling the field (even as
a happy accident), there are much better ways to push them out
ascii_butugychag: 'Councilman Clinton J. Olivier... ...asked Dyer
a simple question: “Could you run my threat level now?” Dyer agreed. The scan returned Olivier as
a green, but his home came back as
a yellow, possibly because of someone who previously lived at his address,
a police official said.'
ascii_butugychag: 'The Fresno City Council called
a hearing on Beware in November after constituents raised concerns. Once council member referred to
a local media report saying that
a woman’s threat level was elevated because she was tweeting about
a card game titled “Rage,” which could be
a keyword in Beware’s assessment of social media.'
ascii_butugychag: 'Exactly how Beware calculates threat scores is something that its maker, Intrado, considers
a trade secret, so it is unclear how much weight is given to
a misdemeanor, felony or threatening comment on Facebook. '
ascii_butugychag: 'As officers respond to calls, Beware automatically runs the address. The searches return the names of residents and scans them against
a range of publicly available data to generate
a color-coded threat level for each person or address: green, yellow or red.'
ascii_butugychag: (e.g., some of the police choppers where i live. i was shown one up close at
a public expo, tiny thing)
PeterL: less likely to hit
a deer if travelling by helicopter
mircea_popescu: it's almost like "being
a usg subject gives you stability for free"
mircea_popescu: you get stability in the sense that you agree to be
a carrot moving at speed on
a vegetable grater.
ascii_butugychag: discussing braking in
a machine that can go into, e.g., spins, is lulzy
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag let's see... anywehre you go, there's
a ~1k lane highway available. and it's on ~ 50 or 100 levels. so 50k lanes at
a minimum. what fucking traffic.
mircea_popescu: traffic isn't so big
a problem - easeir to make autoflown heli than car.
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 19:44:32; mircea_popescu: it was actuallyt about ~same as
a car.
mircea_popescu: (flying
a fixed wing is similar, except the arrangement has signigicant - if not gravitational - inertia.
a tiny heli does not.)
mircea_popescu: i briefly considered
a two seater thing
a few years back