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mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a valid and an invalid thing that
i can readily see going under the same mantle. the valid side is an outgrowth of "no, we're not putting up with any shit, because shit reproduces itself, if you're going to make a sterile environment it gotta be sterile". the invalid part is well, paranoia, basically. "world is out to get itself!!!"
ascii_field: presently
i do not even know how to cure the far more straightforward 300 bytes/block thing, without walking into this
phf: what
i meant to say is that sometimes ascii talks precise, but sometimes with a certain amount of flair, which roughly translates into "the problem is nasty, with many unknowns, and requires excessive amount of investigation and work, if it's even solvable at all." this was the second case,
i.e. not literally clear(), not necessarily boost, needs further independent investigation
mod6: anyway,
i need to give the IgProf hooks another try in a different, nongentoo env and see.
mod6: <+jurov> igprof won't work with stator,
i guess? <<
i'm trying to recall the details... but
i think it compiled ok iirc, but when
I ran it (on a gentoo amd64 env)
I couldn't get any thing to dump out for some reason.
ascii_field: jurov:
i don't recall now if there was any actual reason it had to run with dynamic libc
ascii_field: because there is actually not a good record of the last thing
i did
ascii_field: actually the only reason
i logged on presently was to help jurov
ascii_field: at one point
i considered bolting on stroustrup's 'smart pointers' thing but gave up in disgust
jurov: igprof won't work with stator,
i guess?
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332526 << for the record/future and as best practice : mod6's style of doing these, with pastes etc is much better, because it allows later effort to build upon previous effort. deedbot- is also not a bad venue to store this sort of thing, seeing how it's just code atm. "when
i do so and so this is the bt resultant".
☝︎ ascii_field:
i am always astonished when folks ask question like this
mod6:
i think mine compiled ok with it.
ascii_field: iirc (
i don't have the box here)
i invoked RemoveFromMemoryPool
jurov: did you?
i'm still putting it all together
ascii_field:
i forget the name, it is not in the vpatch megacanon
ascii_field: jurov, phf:
i recommend getting that patch of mine which lets you request EXACT bytes of heap used total at ANY TIME
ascii_field: not so
i could sit in a manhole while a cement mixer pours liquid shit in
ascii_field: my original purpose for asking nubbins for The Book, if anyone remembers, was so that
i could rewrite.
ascii_field: but if you do invoke the destructors (as
i later did) - you crash.
jurov: phf yes but that were stack operations.
i then filtered them
ascii_field:
i tend to associate them in my head, both are of the heathens
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2015 22:01:15; jurov:
i just added CTransaction destructor with debug print, and it is called
ascii_field: now if you feel like it, reproduce this other thing
i did
ascii_field: in sept.
i did an experiment (can't recall if
i bothered to explain it here) where
i forced the cblock crapola to deallocate, in the correct way (without using an iterator)
jurov:
i mean both, generally
jurov: you see. if
i knew why alf narrowed the problem so, would help me much
phf: but for all
i know there's all kinds of other sources of leak. the general idea is that btcd without mempool memory use should stay constant when the blockchain is not growing. any kind of memory growth is from mempool adding more transactions. so it stands to reason that a fully working zapmempool should always bring btcd back to some baseline number, but that's not happening.
phf: jurov: clear not working is my broken telephone of that ascii was saying in the logs.
i've only gotten as far as making sure that the code ~seems~ to be working, hence my conclusion, which is that mempool is somehow not just mapTransactions & mapNextTx
jurov:
i just added CTransaction destructor with debug print, and it is called
☟︎ jurov: ikr? but
i'd like to see some closer dissection. like, how did you determine clear() does not work
phf: jurov: so original interpretation was that mapTransactions.clear(); doesn't deallocate individual instances (
i.e. boost doesn't do the right thing), attempting to iterate over mapTransactions and do explicit del on instances results in crash. so the new assumption was that mapTransactions instances are somehow used elsewhere.
i don't think there's much else insight on the subject
jurov: mod6, asciilifeform, thestringpuller: can you please enlighten me how does boost affect mapTransactions and its clear() function?
i'm reading the code and don't see it
felipelalli: mircea_popescu, Thank you for encouraging! But
I feel
I have read / study more the logs before feel comfortable to write to Qntra. Qntra.net is like my oracle!
mircea_popescu:
i was kinda alone for half hour yest while assbot and everyhone deserted the chan
jurov:
i came and noone was there on any chan
brg444:
I'm guessing you also dared take the plunge into the literature as well? (Bastiat, etc.)
brg444: that's great.
I guess that's better than 99% of english speaking canada can pretend to
pete_dushenski: and now, as
i speak it out loud to mein heir on a daily basis,
i'm practicing more than
i have since
i was 10 years old !
pete_dushenski:
i also have a couple friends who also attended french immersion, but through to grade 12, and we occasionally exchange a few sentences, which is better than nothing :)
pete_dushenski: aha.
i attended french immersion through to grade 5, which really isn't much, but my mother also grew up on montreal and we spoke a bit of french at home.
i've also visited montreal at least once a year since
i was born, so
i've always had a bit of a refresher when out in public. lastly,
i joined a french-catholic choir last year and they speak and write in french exclusively.
brg444:
I was always curious, where did you pick up this french from?
brg444: tbf
I'm certainly not complaining, last winter was around coldest on record so can't say
I'm too anxious to revisit this
pete_dushenski: brg444: wtf get your fahrenheit outta here. unless quebec turned into bagdad since
i last visited !
BingoBoingo:
I don't really know many sites outside of #b-a who do. Even most wp installs have shit comment boxes nao
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BashCo: thanks jurov.
I haven't been active here. haven't taken the time to get involved.
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> BingoBoingo: this would make a great scene for alfdog the movie <<
I kinda though alf identified more as a cat.
BingoBoingo: <PeterL> If you pull up the source of a qntra page, it's about 150 lines. Yesterday
I was on another news site, the source was over 4000 lines long.
I am calling scam, qntra is cheating us on the lines per page! << It used to be more until recently.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> back to my original point,
i don't see any reason why folks like me will fare any better under this collapse than they did under sovcollapse << /me imagines in the future alf getting kidnapped in duffel bag... then delivered to a hardware #b-a because has come to expect
PeterL: If you pull up the source of a qntra page, it's about 150 lines. Yesterday
I was on another news site, the source was over 4000 lines long.
I am calling scam, qntra is cheating us on the lines per page!
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 16:31:44; asciilifeform: (fwiw the subject has no emotional button push for me, because
i don't expect to last for as long as five seconds under feudalism)
mircea_popescu: (in which case - the harem is really the perfect solution. mother-aged children are pretty uch the only human beings
i ever knew to benefit from socialism. so make the harem, let the women be sisters, let society function.)
mircea_popescu:
i dunno what cultured means to you, but there's something definitely wrong with the archeologist who goes to the local court to file a restraining order against this one long extinct tribe for having broken all the pots of this other one.
trinque: or,
I do and disagree with it
trinque:
I think you overlook the question of what kind of a mind is required to manage these vast enterprises
mircea_popescu: her : "so how the fuck would
i manage my transition!111!"
mircea_popescu: her : "even if you are right about where this shit's headed,
i would not last five seconds"
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu:
i did not say 'wot is useless' but that
i in particular do not - as demonstrated experimentally not long ago - command particularly much market value there. << the idea is not that you command anything. the conversion from postmodern derp to feudal subject is not done under the control of the derp.