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ben_vulpes: trinque: you said you had
to go gcc 6 -> 5 -> 4, right?
mircea_popescu: apparently
they also have a jewelry shop right in
the museum. and a simulated mine. it was
the next item on
the list, but
there's only so much you can cram into four days of fucking & drinking.
mircea_popescu: afaik for most of history most emeralds came from
them.
mod6: oh, a whole one for just
that huh. kinda neat.
mircea_popescu: mod6 sadly i didn't have
the
time
to check out
the emeralds museum also, apparently
this exists.
mod6: yeah,
the raw emeralds
too
mod6: wow, nice pics from bogota
tho!
mircea_popescu: in other sads, we discover
that
the
trilema pics sum up
to almost 3gb
these days ;/
a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 16:37 asciilifeform:
the items
that only work from in-chan are close enuff
phf: mircea_popescu: alright, i cleared my schedule for
that general period, i'll look at flights again
tonight and we can just go with whatever works out best financially
BingoBoingo: Because, you know...
The "shared" word is in
there.
BingoBoingo: In other Pais Pobre: "The idea
that makes
tPanel unique compared
to other web hosting control panels is
that
the software does not require any root/shell access
to function. Instead, it’s more of a manager for people who have ambitions
to start a web host on
their shared web hosting plan." -
http://www.gnutoolbox.com/tpanel/ mircea_popescu: so for
the last day i've been working on
this bogota megapost. hopefully i fucking finish it
today jesus.
ben_vulpes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780744 << "Mr. Pierce walked around
the
tree and said prayers for Puertopia, holding a rusted wrench he had picked up in
the
territory. He kissed an old man's feet. He blessed a crystal in
the water, as
they all watched. He played
the Chaplin speech
to everyone and
to
the
tree, Mr. Nygard said."
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 15:09 asciilifeform: hilarious buncha idjits, 'let's all move
to 1 usg reservation and feed
the waterfall
there while awaiting cokemachine'
phf: i suppose it hinges on definition of "web systems".
trinque's static
thing
that only
takes input from channel i suppose qualifies and is exception
to what i'm saying
phf: well, we don't really have non-allcomers web systems ourselves.
the only example from past is mp's retired
token system
phf: i
think mp had a conversation with someone from #lisp, and someone was responding as if in authority, but you never know
a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 04:52 ben_vulpes: guy delivering servers
today wanted
to know what i was doing with em; "well let's see, install some software and
then rack 'em in a datacenter, what else does one do with servers?" "no but like are you mining bro?" "haha funny. don't you have something for me
to sign?"
a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 01:20 mircea_popescu: and considering what happens in response
to curl -v -X GET -H "range: bytes=1-8" www.loper-os.org (full page dump) we can add asciilifeform / nfs
to
the list of "does not support ranges"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hey, imagine all
the idle posturing going on in every
tiny social group. kids used
to be hackers, after being secret agents, after being you know.
ben_vulpes: guy delivering servers
today wanted
to know what i was doing with em; "well let's see, install some software and
then rack 'em in a datacenter, what else does one do with servers?" "no but like are you mining bro?" "haha funny. don't you have something for me
to sign?"
☟︎ doppler: is
that just a matter of a regex needing updated?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz,
the day's log page is fulla non-linking links as a result of
http being
the discussion
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 18:02 BingoBoingo: I will have
to dig
that up, but it is not
trivial and requires having a foreign corporation in
the loop somewhere. Perhaps someone with a corp
that is offshore
to Uruguay can inquire? Depends on
the revenue reported and a whole bunch of other miscellanea.
mircea_popescu: you'll also probably have
trouble without a connection: close signal, and so on.
mircea_popescu: ://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ as a complement
to 302 response also quite useful.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 00:22 mircea_popescu: "find a
thing such as x" vs "follow steps x give whatever comes out"
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 17:27 phf: content-type is a meaningless header, since
that's up
to client
to decide anyway (and it's frequently misconfigured), all
the other headers are straight up metadata fluff.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 17:26 phf: we can reduce everything
to just get requests (cut
the headers,
too, except for Content-Length), where ranges are done by "/downloads?file=...&start=...&end"
mircea_popescu: but you don;t know what
to put in
the where
to begin with. so you get potentially boundless piles of metadata.
mircea_popescu: yes, but
the
thing still starts with describe or w/e it's called
trinque: I can go query what
tables have a column of particular
type
trinque: sql has
this already, on earth.
mircea_popescu: (practically,
they just didn't feel like making one verb per
thing, because it'd have ended all sgml.)
mircea_popescu: well you don;t know what you don't know. exactly as in
the slavery
threads.
trinque: "oh here's
the filesize and content
type and also here's what
the server had for breakfast"
trinque: the inability
to ask specific questions is another massive failing of
the
thing
mircea_popescu: trinque because you don't know what questions may be asked, is
the idea.
mircea_popescu: this is a major flaw of
the "design" such as it is,
that yes you're asking for potentially infinite metadata.
trinque: rather
than specify what question you may have about
the
thing specifically
trinque: why would you imply it in
that manner, and it's understood you may want potentially boundless metadata
mircea_popescu: similar
to
trinque goes into santaria shop, "do you have any bibles ?" "yes, shall i read you from it ?" "no,
thanks. how much for one ?"
mircea_popescu: and if you say "i'm interested in x but in 0 bits of it"
the logical implication is
that you're only interested in any meta-x may be available. which yes might be null, but also doesn't have
to be.
trinque: you didn't get back zero in
the latter case
mircea_popescu: the reason i linked
the
two items was,
that you had a paradoxical result evaluating logical implication of negated absence in
there ; and a paradoxical result evaluating predicated nothingness, here. seem
to me intuitively
they're related
to some sort of 0-difficulty you have.
trinque: same
thing's going
to happen in a
thread on HTTP
trinque: old
thread was on python, and
the behavior of some looping constructs or w/e, didn't match set
theory
trinque: oh, I blew my stack in
the
thread you linked mostly because of my own radiation damage
trinque: in
this case sums
to: republican HTTP may ulcer alf further.
trinque: incidentally I've been working on moving
the entire concept out of my head in such
threads, in contrast
to
the old
thread in question.
trinque: exactly
that,
the
thing keisters away data in whatever fold of fat some autist found at
the moment
mircea_popescu: "our data
type is vector list array,
tyvm & come again!"
mircea_popescu: fancy
that wonder,
text, html and utf-8. some data
type.
mircea_popescu: trinque
the most reliably encountered header in responses is Content-Type:
text/html; charset=UTF-8
mircea_popescu: (good
thing we got
the cloud collaborate suite from $corp,
too... how could we have gotten
this far without ???)
mircea_popescu: well
the whole
thing is one huge napkin doodle shared over
the chan as it stands
☟︎ trinque: right
the muntzing of
http got conflated (by me, most likely) with how it ought
to have been done in
the first place
mircea_popescu: basically whole
thing was "Don't implement a special show
table status, use
the underlying select item from schema directly"
mircea_popescu: and
this show
table status is a proxy for select autoincrtement from inf schema
trinque: if
tables were good for storing ages of johns, why not statuses of
tables?
mircea_popescu: that one is select john from
tabler and
the other is show
table status.
trinque: the charge I made was
that range 0 is an implicit metadata fetch. why implicit?
trinque: what is special about
that data retrieval, compared
to "what's
the age of john" ?
mircea_popescu: isn't
this "tell me about
this
table for a
total of 0 rows" ?
trinque: if I were
to hamhandedly bash
this into
http, there'd be no headers. you'd get
that information from another ULR
mircea_popescu: so sql doesn't have an equivalent of head is
the idea ? or doesn't have an equivalent of get 0 size ?
trinque: I can select from a
table
that is
the
table of columns, for example
trinque is referring
to information_schema and
the db-specific metadata schemas
trinque: same
tools apply
to metadata as everything else
trinque: sql would be a system where I'd consider
the metadata properly designed, in
that
there isn't a difference in
the way it's represented, or retrieved
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's not clear
that
the extant stack of shit is capable of supporting some sort of meaningful practical consideration.
trinque: lol, I was speaking practically.
though I'm glad it did prompt
the other.
trinque: yeah but
that's what fired off
the other
thread
too!
trinque: sure, if
http is understood
that it always hands back headers, and
these are decided
to exclude
the "I want an item of x length and no further"
then get with range 0 offset 0 would hand back only headers