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mircea_popescu: so i signed nothing and yet IT (and only it) could know it was me. this is important.
mircea_popescu: you're switching things. the point is that deedbot knows it is really me ; not vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: here's the handshake : syn -> 5db1fee4b5703808c48078a76768b155b421b210c0761cd6a5d223f4d99f1eaa -> 1337 -> ack.
mircea_popescu: yeah, they are. much like deedbot distinguishes above.
mircea_popescu: it quickly becomes dubious. because a signature permits a certain relationship. whereas gossipd rests on dubious relationships.
mircea_popescu: i'll just continue using my current system, because such a gossipd would be an outrageous degradation of everything.
mircea_popescu: a gossipd that requires me to sign anything is not to any degree interesting.
mircea_popescu: !!rate deedbot 1 How are you gonna check it's really me, bitch ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. identity doesn't need signature to be checked. behold :
mircea_popescu: this is not only a ridiculous hope, but contrary to design principle. the point of gossipd is that he sees.
mircea_popescu: third party can check a signature as well as you can.
mircea_popescu: if you sign something, there's no further degrees.
mircea_popescu: didja read shinohai 's guide vivas82 ?
mircea_popescu: $up vivas82
mircea_popescu: well, the principal difference between gossipd-for-v and gossipd-proper is that v operates on signed matter exclusively ; gossipd-proper operates on unsigned matter exclusively.
mircea_popescu: on a vapkin!
mircea_popescu: certainly it is not contemplated here thatg anyone would be forced to run v to get gossipd. heck, i don't even believe such "forcing" would be in principle possible.
mircea_popescu: eventually they separate, if they do, or the nodule dies off/gets resorbed in the main trunk, or the trunk dies off and the nodule continues it instead, or or or.
mircea_popescu: still, you know - most everything extant today started life as a nodule on something else. nothing wrong with this in principle.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can't "bolt things" to items that do not exist.
mircea_popescu: most designs suffer a lot of changes when one tries to actually implement them, which is why prototypes exist in the first place.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger well the whole point is to stop wondering.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger gotta start somewhere. but yes, you intuit correctly, that's where it's headed.
mircea_popescu: the concerns can be separated... latger.
mircea_popescu: anyway. this "separation of concerns" objection would have a lot more meat on its imaginary bones if there actually eixsted any sort of gossipd. as there doesn't, the objection has no legs to stand on.
mircea_popescu: you don't live in emacs i take it ?
mircea_popescu: hm ?
mircea_popescu: "who are you ?" "i am my V and .sig machine" is a perfectly fine response.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160909/#23 << yes mod6 but to clarify : "one button" refers to the situation where the user already has a trusted copy of V, and a .sig directory populated as per his taste. these are part of the definition of identity, and going forward can and should be assumed present.
mircea_popescu: we could make it work on udp, and initiate sessions through encrypting a large prime to the destination's key or some equivalent implementation, so we get to test alf's new-internet-order ideas also.
mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform mod6 trinque et all : what would you think about adding a p2p client to V ? it'd be like a daemon which listens for connections from peers and maintains lists of pressables. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i shall leave you with http://67.media.tumblr.com/d8015f0fb3262cd6466ba75c2a376949/tumblr_o9jf3wT0YF1vyji3fo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: nerways ill be back tomorro
mircea_popescu: mod6 i dun think the one button push got cancelled.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's not bikeshedding when i actually use it.
mircea_popescu: dude watching airstrip one betamedia ?
mircea_popescu: meant http://67.media.tumblr.com/63a61ac5b255a869ae7da3262b671b4b/tumblr_oawqlhESbf1tplof1o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: o oops, wrong pic.
mircea_popescu: which one ?
mircea_popescu: speaking of http://66.media.tumblr.com/a2030738cf42c481f0ba7412b18b0c81/tumblr_oa73fsi0hH1v01y6oo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: oh ?
mircea_popescu: the ~only possible interpretation is that people simply suck at knowing what they got.
mircea_popescu: for instance.
mircea_popescu: so i'd say sounds good, mod6
mircea_popescu: aaanyway
mircea_popescu: yeah. minor point
mircea_popescu: " then navigate to pressed dir, " << i mean.
mircea_popescu: mod6 make can't make from arbitrary dir ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, who mentioned pull chord ? http://66.media.tumblr.com/a2030738cf42c481f0ba7412b18b0c81/tumblr_oa73fsi0hH1v01y6oo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: the early history of v is shrowded in chaos./
mircea_popescu: yes i know
mircea_popescu: right, exactly.
mircea_popescu: ok let's approach it this way : what is so special about the make files that they get their own tree ? why not say, all .c files get their own, all .h files get their separate own ? inasmuch as you can't use the makefiles without the sources, they belong in the same tree as the sources.
mircea_popescu: why does make run a v anywya ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this isn't quite right as i understand it.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#1163 << so then every time you try to get software running you have to two two presses, one of makefiles, one of sourcefiles ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#1160 << so basically we got v running twice ?
mircea_popescu: and :
mircea_popescu: meanwhile http://66.media.tumblr.com/a2030738cf42c481f0ba7412b18b0c81/tumblr_oa73fsi0hH1v01y6oo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: Framedragger can we stop having this "multiline" bs unless specifically togled on somehow ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: oh ffs
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:998/to:1163#998 << so then every time you try to get software running you have to two two presses, one of makefiles, one of sourcefiles ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:998/to:1160#998 << so basically we got v running twice ?
mircea_popescu: i had 72.83.9.196
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what ip was zoolag before ?
mircea_popescu: aaaand in other news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/c2ba427794f9125fa67e4c873463f556/tumblr_nrry0fyBYY1uwmvxto1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: sigh.
mircea_popescu: wait, the clim authoritative spec exists as a html ?! ☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, eating trail mix for survival, in town. what's wrong with you know, cuisine.
mircea_popescu: oh that was the other thing! "soylent". ran by some douchy dood with all sorts of "gonzo" marketing ideas, vaguely reminescent of the airbnb clowns.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: by the time ice age 24 is available "only in select theatres" because nobody can be arsed to torrent it they'll be ready with iphone 17 ?
mircea_popescu: iphone 7 ? srsly ?!
mircea_popescu: looks like it.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, http://66.media.tumblr.com/972ca1e498f8ab9b5eb2e6855486116f/tumblr_od6l2tEkYa1uhn2lfo2_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:840/to:840#840 << freenode kinda leaks ips, so the hostmask is not THAT strong a protection anywya.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it never ceases to amaze me.
mircea_popescu: ^ actual spoonfull of straight cesium, complete with chereknov blue glow, handled. by hand.
mircea_popescu: !~google golania accident
mircea_popescu: !~search golania accident
mircea_popescu: who the fuck thinks this works. seriously now. trying to shoot the idiot is hard enough, but to disable enemy combatants by spraying "uranium" on them...
mircea_popescu: wtf, they're going to carry a plant by the backpack so the enemy has to take 10 minute breaks after every two minutes of shooting ?
mircea_popescu: so fucking stupid. soviet workers shoveled dirt in the very core of the blasted ukrainian plant.
mircea_popescu: wasn't this ancient us army crap from like the 1950s ?
mircea_popescu: eg, "~a111@unaffiliated/phf/bot/a111"
mircea_popescu: Framedragger what's your notion of a difference between a public and secret bot ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly what happened with indians, too. mn randos were sucked into indian lands / indian women / etc.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger meanwhile i figured out that if im careful to never use it, it won'\t mostly pop in again
mircea_popescu: large part of how black death worked, sure.
mircea_popescu: if the us lost 400mn heads tomorrow it wouldn't stand.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not prepared to go into microbiological details of smallpox. but even admitting vaccine saved 10, heck, 20% of the population. then what ?
mircea_popescu: which permits them to live.
mircea_popescu: they are protected however still, because "herd immunity", which is to say OTHER people not gettng it artificially reduces the "population density" from the pov of that pathogen.
mircea_popescu: but more's the pojnt : even in very genetically diverse populations (such as yurpeans, because colonialism! such as not redskins, because stoneage losers), a good portion of the population has poor vaccine response.
mircea_popescu: usually fatal the first time.
mircea_popescu: vacciness work through stimulating the expression of pre existing genes/proteins/complexes, not by creating a magical forcefield around your dick.)
mircea_popescu: all these proteins are created, mostly in the liver, on the basis of blueprints, which are encoded genetically. which means that if your father didn't have anywhere a marker for smallpox, and he had you with a woman who also, you are immune to vaccination : it won't express anything.
mircea_popescu: (to explain the science involved : immunity works as a multi layered interplay of numerous proteins. some recognize specific bits of cells - hopefully, pathogens only, or else autoimmune response - some mark these recognitions, some others further mark, it's a whole shebang.