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asciilifeform: tammany -- respectable??!
asciilifeform: (we had mongoose ache crystallographied 1 floor down from my chair, at one point, can't recall precisely why, it had already been done elsewhere. possibly it was in-complex)
asciilifeform: he has slightly nonstandard ACHE and number of other ferments.
asciilifeform: quite likely the current crop of miners is already this.
asciilifeform: (in the end you get sarin-resistant mice. this is not even a physical impossibility, iirc mongoose needed an elephant's dose to fall down)
asciilifeform: and ditto.
asciilifeform: potentially this mouse is solvable without sarin.
asciilifeform: (tru story! ru chemistry students would occasionaly make, e.g., sarin, as a very effective answer to... rats, mice, whatever else infested the cellar..)
asciilifeform: mining is a solution to specific set of problems. just like pressurizing your house with sarin and walking around in a teflon suit is one possible answer to rats and mice.
asciilifeform: (possibly there were others, but afaik this was the canonical.)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-06#1423970 << thread. ☝︎
asciilifeform: a certain qty of 'ob' from, e.g., brothel, could indeed refer to a certain number of litres of spooje swallowed, etc.
asciilifeform: (1950s writer, had space folk using something quite like subj)
asciilifeform: to steal erik frank russel's name.
asciilifeform: i'd call it an 'ob'
asciilifeform: unless it is a 'gossiptronic coin', as discussed earlier, but the applicability of the name 'coin' is then questionable
asciilifeform: 'The Web of Trust is not, as the name would seem to imply, an oilfield in which trust plays the role of oil, and you deploy some apparatuses and other devices to extract the trust therewith.'
asciilifeform: trinque: http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it << oblig.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was expecting you to mention... dirigibles
asciilifeform: trinque: consider elaborating
asciilifeform: eh we already have one of those.
asciilifeform: as a class.
asciilifeform: but ~cars~ cannot crash.
asciilifeform: you can have a car crash.
asciilifeform: what would it even mean for a multiversal per-operator altcoin to 'crash' ?
asciilifeform: to briefly go up the stack, 'gossipcoin' is not useless by virtue of being a mach10 jet. i cannot fly it. but it is conceivable that mircea_popescu could. and/or, folks not even yet born, could.
asciilifeform: how did it go, 'horse that can count to five is a remarkable horse, but not a remarkable mathematician'
asciilifeform: 'general population' is barely qualified to operate a public shitter.
asciilifeform: and, eh, 'v', or trb, or various other items contemplated here, fall much closer to the jet than to the tv set.
asciilifeform: it is too late for grown men to learn damn near anything
asciilifeform: *assembly
asciilifeform: naturally.
asciilifeform: what is an ace pilot if not 'assemvly line phd'.
asciilifeform: doesn't mean that jet fighters are useless.
asciilifeform: hey i never learned to fly a jet fighter;
asciilifeform: i.e. a cynical scam.
asciilifeform: iirc ripple was promisetronic though.
asciilifeform: but less promisetronic (public, e.g., base.)
asciilifeform: sorta how fiatola works already at the sovereign level.
asciilifeform: trinque: it was a crackpot algo which i suggested, ages ago, where there is no objective coin, but instead, e.g., mircea_popescu can mint any amount (with the total base being public) of mircea_popescucoin, which in turn trinque accepts for certain rate of trinquecoin, etc, etc., integrated with wot
asciilifeform: was about, largely, this.
asciilifeform: trinque: see the 'multiverse gossipcoin' old thread
asciilifeform: ah as in europe.
asciilifeform: any imperial coin, really.
asciilifeform: so potentially works.
asciilifeform: 'monetary base handed out by hand' equates to an evaporating throne
asciilifeform: esp. if it is one man's secret.
asciilifeform: like any other alchemy.
asciilifeform: can be kept in pants arbitrarily well.
asciilifeform: trinque: idea is that a unit of hashicity might cost you, i, and 1,000,001 others -- H, but might cost 'satoshi' 1/1,000,001H.
asciilifeform: 'there are no alchemists because an alchemist could not POSSIBLY keep it in his pants' is no argument.
asciilifeform: only if dumped
asciilifeform: trinque: ditto the amd signing key from last month's thread.
asciilifeform: trinque: 'joseki' and 'shillelagh' are also hidden.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: no alt stands a remote change against 'grandfather's pistol' unless the author also discovers and demonstrates a 'proof of nonchiseling' .
asciilifeform: which is why nobody's pulled it off yet.
asciilifeform: with new protagonist.
asciilifeform: that'll simply reset the problem.
asciilifeform: trinque: i suspect that our null hypotheses differ.
asciilifeform: you - yes, me - yes ; fella with the sha2 pill - ~0.
asciilifeform: trinque: see thread. mining is not provably costing all of the participants anything.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which is moronic if there is any way to avoid it.
asciilifeform: like the rest of crypto.
asciilifeform: nah. afaik it is a dead field.
asciilifeform: accomplishes ~same result as author of coin personally handing out the monetary base, but messier and more expensively.
asciilifeform: 'mining is a bug' because, as mircea_popescu even appeared to agree earlier, it is promisetronic.
asciilifeform: scarce in the 'nobody is obviously wielding an infinite hose of it' sense.
asciilifeform: but, in the customary picture, something scarce.
asciilifeform: well not only a quanta
asciilifeform: recall the multiverse 'coin' ?
asciilifeform: it also depends on what is a 'coin' fundamentally.
asciilifeform: it much depends on what is 'work'.
asciilifeform: hey if i were 'convinced' - would say.
asciilifeform: there are, theoretically, schemes for mineless coin that do not resolve to any obviously idiotic or centralized thing.
asciilifeform: the orbit of my personal inner altcrackpot is largely around 'mining is a bug'.
asciilifeform: well, 'do the hash' + 'not get orphaned'
asciilifeform: is 'linux' here the proggy, or the microphone+podium ?
asciilifeform: elaborate?
asciilifeform: (and was not merely premined, but the 'btcphobic' mr mold had 'coins', of which there are only 256, die ! after 9 moves.)
asciilifeform: was interesting, when it was interesting, ~in spite of~, not because, of the premine.
asciilifeform: (e.g., urbit!)
asciilifeform: aaand yet the alts where author simply pocketed the monetarybase and distributed by hand from own pocket - were laughed off.
asciilifeform: it is honest.
asciilifeform: well eulora afaik never claimed p2ptronicity
asciilifeform: it relies on a server, neh ?
asciilifeform: just that it would be something other than the usual snore
asciilifeform: eh i did not even say it would be necessarily worthwhile
asciilifeform: much to the lament of jurov et al
asciilifeform: in ru -- still
asciilifeform: aah
asciilifeform: jewmasons ?
asciilifeform: communists ?
asciilifeform: hungarians ?
asciilifeform: but on whom
asciilifeform: well yes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what was the face-busting cultural identification earlier ?
asciilifeform: phf: they dun have dst in mircea_popesculandia
asciilifeform: even among prisoners, there are only 2-3 usefully distinct types.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in so far as i can tell, modern american tatoo is ~always ~meaningless.