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asciilifeform: what i ~do~ have a strongly developed allergy to is attempts to redefine minimal expectations using 'new realities'
asciilifeform: understand, i have nothing against proggies that are slow because they are overly ambitious, common lisp on 386, 'quake' on 486-dx2 (i played, 5 frame/sec, yes), etc.
asciilifeform: for now, will tentatively take trinque's word, that it runs in real time on new iron at last.
asciilifeform: neato. i will try this clim, at some point.
asciilifeform: trinque: i was answering 'that's just what you read'
asciilifeform: aaaaha, lolk, it was what i read, what was actually there was proof of fermat's conjecture...
asciilifeform: the implicit claim was that i am somehow 'unreasonably' expecting realtime interaction with comp.
asciilifeform: and i will use the old reality.
asciilifeform: jurov: then the 'new reality' can go fuck itself to death with red hot poker.
asciilifeform: (phf suggested earlier that it is not yet fast enough. so i put off trying.)
asciilifeform: perhaps - finally fast enough.
asciilifeform: trinque: i have nfi, will have to try the new clim, won't i.
asciilifeform: and again '10
asciilifeform: because i USED realtime comp.
asciilifeform: this is my reaction to clim, and same as to ms word 2010 and related abortions.
asciilifeform: because you KNOW that there used to be cars that did not roast balls, or emit phosgene into cabin.
asciilifeform: you ask, quite reasonably, why all of this is there.
asciilifeform: phf: picture if your car gives out, a decade from now, and you walk into a dealership, grudgingly buying new one. there, you learn that all new cars emit phosgene gas, some of which leaks into the cabin, and you gotta wear a mask. but this does not help against the microwaves that slowly roast yer balls, from the new type of waveguide transmission they use.
asciilifeform: but i also do not know if he has any experience with fast comp.
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform: unless he is an expert and malicious liar, the game is won.
asciilifeform: the counter to 'i don't feel any delays' is to sit the 'not feeler' in front of wordperfect on msdos and watch his face as he says 'this dun feel any faster'
asciilifeform: ( 'insane measure', oblig thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-24#933189 ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: who the hell knows, until at least one pwned chump digs up the backorifice and posts.
asciilifeform: and the roi, by any 'sane' measure, is 0.
asciilifeform: because making indigenousbase is, in reality, very, very expensive.
asciilifeform: but the more likely thing is that the money was spent on mercedes and coke, and - they run win98, yes.
asciilifeform: the winblows vista - painted on, for show, for us rubes.
asciilifeform: aha some don't walk. there was a photo leaked of a radar base, where they had one of the few completed elbrus. in the corner desk there was what looked like winblows. nfi, could be hangout, perhaps the 'indigenous base' happened, strictly in ru meta-nsa.
asciilifeform: which seems like great deal, until your pipeline explodes etc.
asciilifeform: '
asciilifeform: because, today just as in 1980, it is very difficult to 'compete with 3111111117 w4r3z
asciilifeform: and that the elbrusistic 'we'll make indigenous base' thing never took off.
asciilifeform: i have deeply nfi, but do know that winblows is pestilentially universal in ru, in all walks of life
asciilifeform: as it is, ru derps still feel comfortable running 'outlook' on winblows 10.
asciilifeform: let'em buy a new ~that~.
asciilifeform: i'm still waiting to see them lose something expensive, e.g., the intel/amd microcode booby.
asciilifeform: poor sods will have to go on spamforum and spend another hundy to buy new chumpnet.
asciilifeform: i - also lolllered.
asciilifeform: 'How is being stolen goods if no one is claiming ownership?'
asciilifeform: they're running obummer's uci.
asciilifeform: ' @GCHQ @Belgacom TheShadowBrokers is making special effort not to using foul language, bigotry, or making any funny. Be seeing if NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX is making stories about now? Maybe political hacks is being more important? '
asciilifeform: might be lulzy to cross-check with phuctor, ben_vulpes's trb nodes' banhammer lists, etc.
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3cvre/?raw=true << for the lazy among us, list of pwned boxen from http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560808 . ☝︎
asciilifeform: linux/solaris, if the comments in the configs are to be believed.
asciilifeform: mostly east asia, some ru.
asciilifeform: in the tarball, list of pwned boxes, ip/hostname, creds for some usg proprietary backorifice-style client.
asciilifeform: or cheap circus
asciilifeform reads the linked item and mentally pictures it in 'hollywood ru' nonsense voice from 'red october', 'beautiful mind', and other lulgems of 'languages? we dun do these, school is for phootball'
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/ym9JT << in other lulz, this just in ☟︎
asciilifeform: now gotta roll in x forever ?
asciilifeform: and what happens when i wanna plant the thing on bare vga later ?
asciilifeform: only that i barfed mightily the last time i tried to clim.
asciilifeform: i have nfi if it were inherent - or not.
asciilifeform: the 'inherent' thing was phf's observation.
asciilifeform: if proggy's job is to let me fiddle something in real time, there must be 0 palpable delay. you would not put up with a light switch that takes random(5,10) seconds to light, and to switch off. ☟︎
asciilifeform: is the point.
asciilifeform: these had 0 realtime display.
asciilifeform: but text editor ? fuhgetit.
asciilifeform: when i ran chirality numbers for al schwartz, it took ~6 mo of cluster. and that's small change.
asciilifeform: then it is fine if it wants to run for a month.
asciilifeform: it is one thing if the proggy's job is to compute molecular dynamics of protein in solvent.
asciilifeform: trinque can use whatever he likes on his box, but if i run a proggy and have to count '1, 2, 3,...' after pressing a key and before seeing screen draw, it goes in the shit bin.
asciilifeform: see, i am willing to buy 10k box, or whatnot, to get fast clim. but i am not willing to close eyes and call a turd sausage.
asciilifeform: and full of very questionable wins.
asciilifeform: but in many ways the move to multiuser os on home comp was a bait-and-switch scam
asciilifeform: not necessarily
asciilifeform: trinque: i asked that you compare to a very factual 'yesterday', rather than imagined futures
asciilifeform: (but there first has to be such a thing)
asciilifeform: phf: i dun see why 'inherent', if i gotta buy a hardware accelerator, i'll buy
asciilifeform: the example earlier, 'word perfect on msdos 5', has ~0 perceptible delays. and this was on the junkiest hardware ~ever sold as a comp.
asciilifeform: what is so arcane about this
asciilifeform: if i can feel delays, it is slow.
asciilifeform: 'dog slow' means that i can feel delays.
asciilifeform: trinque: in all fairness, i have nfi what you used before, maybe it was a telegraphist drawing on chalkboard. so yes, faster.
asciilifeform: (in related news, apparently new crapple boxes lack not only f-keys, but ESC !)
asciilifeform: i'm comparing it to motherfucking 'word perfect' on msdos 5.
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300 << obligatory.
asciilifeform: trinque: 0 palpable delay between key and event was always the standard, and will forever remain the standard. ☟︎
asciilifeform: nope
asciilifeform: would be interesting demo, i'll watch.
asciilifeform: so could trinque write 'word perfect' clone in it , and 0 lag ?
asciilifeform: so what sense does it make to say 'no lag' if it eats no input ?!
asciilifeform: that doesn't sound like an interactive proggy
asciilifeform: (how may character on screen? vector font? scrolling ?)
asciilifeform: trinque: what's running in it ?
asciilifeform: ooh i almost forgot, on the cray i'll need a $10k payware lisp, yes
asciilifeform: (i'm still waiting for somebody to tell me which cray i gotta buy for it to work in MOTHERRFUCKING REAL TIME)
asciilifeform: nah mainly because slow as molasses
asciilifeform: '... just over a week before the presidential election, top Democrats are demanding that he level the playing field and disclose what the FBI knows about Republican nominee Donald Trump’s possible ties to the Russian government.' ☟︎
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/VMkMn << moar lulz from same rag.
asciilifeform: ently this does something.
asciilifeform: '“I would highly doubt that they’re armed,” he said, “that poses a greater threat. Normally, standard operating procedure for the Secret Service is to never have armed security around our protectee—ever. Even working closely with sworn law enforcement officers around the protectee is a very delicate situation.”' << lel, no word on whether clitler and the monkey disarmed mr t's guards, but... we'll PRETEND! they did. appar ☟︎
asciilifeform: what's 1 guard paid? 100k/y ?
asciilifeform: 'Throughout the 15 months he’s been running for president, Donald Trump’s campaign has paid private security contractors at least $432,201' << this seems cheap
asciilifeform: trinque: lulzy, neato
asciilifeform: if he's using the praetorian guard, we know the endgame
asciilifeform: incidentally here's a possible litmus: did mr t accept the 'free' guards traditionally given to candidates, or keep using own ?
asciilifeform: the last potus who tried to fire plum book folk got kennedied.
asciilifeform: i always wondered if the very sad infrastructure in washington, a kind of frozen-in-time 1970s theme park, is at least partly on account of the expectation that anthill will be leveled 'any day' ☟︎