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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349331 << i wonder if these folks know the story of pavlik morozov ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 10:09:53; mircea_popescu: "I won't comment on the account ban for privacy or regulatory reasons. But I can say that the ban has nothing to do with this person's hackerone reporting. And unfortunately, we cannot be more lenient on him just because he has previously helped us. The 2 issues are independent. And plus, the team that works with banning has no access or knowledge of the hackerone cases. This separation protects our
shinohai: I saw that ppart, thrilled to have node back
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349209 << not strangely. cpu and disk i/o is the bottleneck, i determined this to arbitrary precision. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 20:08:33; asciilifeform: so at this point i'm pretty certain where 'black hole' comes from.
asciilifeform: anyway i predicted usgcoin shortly after i first logged in here
mircea_popescu: anyway, i happen to agree. there's absolutely no reason usg.jwz has any business touching bitcoin at any point.
asciilifeform: just when i thought this couldn't get any lulzier
mircea_popescu: did the "well we wanted to do xt but mp nixed it so i guess no xt" comunique appear as the last entry on bitcoinxt ?
mircea_popescu: i guess yeah
mircea_popescu: why should i ?
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 08:04:49; BingoBoingo: I'm more worried about the last six words
mircea_popescu: in other news, "Shouldn’t we be surprised to learn that an importer owns and operates its own ships? It’s probably not the comparative advantage for even the largest importers. And here’s the thing: Dole isn’t one of the country’s top three importers of containerized cargo. Instead it’s the fifth, after Walmart, Target, Home Depot, and Lowe’s. But you won’t see boxes or ships owned by these companies. I
mircea_popescu: so i guess it's not merely "don't help coinbase, they'll fuck you up" as yesterday, but moreover, "don't help coinbase - they'll fuck you up and then display the unmitigated gall of pretending that it didn't happen, or if it did it shouldn't matter or if it does it has nothing to do wit hthem". herp.
mircea_popescu: if you promise me a banana and fail to deliver the banana as promised, whether this is related or unrelated, intentional or unintentional, for regulatory reasons or to protect the privacy, I'M SHORT A FUCKING BANANA.
mircea_popescu: "I won't comment on the account ban for privacy or regulatory reasons. But I can say that the ban has nothing to do with this person's hackerone reporting. And unfortunately, we cannot be more lenient on him just because he has previously helped us. The 2 issues are independent. And plus, the team that works with banning has no access or knowledge of the hackerone cases. This separation protects our customers' privacy." ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349167 << lulzy obit. odd that no BSDO mentioned. << Holy shit, how did I miss this in paper newspaper ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 07:42:06; pete_dushenski: i call intentional marketing ploy
mircea_popescu: it's to date the largest reply i ever had to make in an irc conversation, but it is in fact a reply in an irc conversation. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: lol ironically, i wouldn't have.
mircea_popescu: Thinking in those terms, "Hey, TRB actually running on BSD as opposded to PRB sounds to me like it'd be huge, it must be made a point of public communication, I need datas to support me in discussing this with people, plox to help me here!" is a helluva lot more productive than "this is X's dominion". At the worst this will clarify that "nah, not really", at the best it'll help a lot of idiots understand why it nobody
mircea_popescu: X so I can Y", for x=printable bitcoin and y=read in bed. He's not gotten it, at least not yet, but you can't say anyone's been the worse for the experience.
mircea_popescu: on the OTHER hand however, you have to understand biology works on drivers, and b-a is very much a natural system, so biology applies. the whole shebang is driven by need, if you go "I NEED X and Y and Z to be able to do K!" you may or may not get X, Y or Z, or maybe a response as to the usefullness of K, but in any case the b-a itself gains. If you recall a primary driver for historical activity was alf going "I want
mircea_popescu: ds are you'll end up having to do it later anyway, and once you know this it's always better to do it at a time of choice than at a time of need. Obviously this leaves wide open the "well I just don't care so much about Ying", which is fine, with the caveat that as the reunion of Ys starts approaching the universe, you're getting closer and closer to the nagant ending.
mircea_popescu: It's also perfectly valid to go "I'm not about to Y, seems X's going to do it and they're probably better than me / I don't want to duplicate the effort". Note however that this is an extremely tenuous argument : if it's true he's better than you then you probably should duplicate the effort - that's exactly the only avenue to learning, duplicating the effort of your betters. If it's the case you're better than him, od
mircea_popescu: is X's thing", or in the more general "I'm not about to go into should mode - that's how you get hanged", but that's not so related.
mircea_popescu: To apply this to b-a affairs : it's not particularly useful to go "I'm not going to X because that's Y's dominion". For one thing, it's not terribly clear if this is even true (people are notoriously poor at communicating things this subtle, and consequently your love for Amy's not Amy's idea of your love for her, not ever, until the day you die). It is perfectly valid to go "i won't be telling X how to Y because Ying
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 06:25:36; pete_dushenski: besides, is not trb news the dominion of mod6 'state of bitcoin addresses' or qntra ? i can certainly qntra, but i guess i'm not equipped to appreciate the significance of glibc-less-netbsd
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 06:23:04; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu: but what if i took being excommunicated as a badge of merit and distinction ? please, tell me what i have to do to 'go spinoza' or 'go galileo' ;)
mircea_popescu: i don't advise any man to take this course, but recognize that well... cattle ranching is in point of fact a legitimate line of work, and you don't always get the choices you want.
BingoBoingo: In other news the Obeast messiah Tess Monster has announced her surrender to FPH using her real name social media accounts https://i.sli.mg/738TTX.jpg
punkman: "Fortunately for us, we’ve had everyone say everything that you can possibly think of about our food, so we are past the point where we need the validation from anybody. I could give a fuck at this point, and we are just happy to try Alma again in the form of a three-month-residency at The Standard hotel in West Hollywood, whether it is critically acclaimed or not."
ben_vulpes: i guess we don't need baby jebus to save the britneychain if the linux foundation's going to fork the phr33 w0rld off it
BingoBoingo: I'm more worried about the last six words ☟︎
BingoBoingo: "I believe that soft-fork segwit can help us out of this deadlock and get us going again." - A Negative https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/012090.html
assbot: coblee comments on Coinbase Bans me After i Help them fix major Exploit ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yvj1Wr )
punkman: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3xksss/coinbase_bans_me_after_i_help_them_fix_major/cy5t83p
punkman: yeah I guess a lot more of this, very viral, such wow
pete_dushenski: i call intentional marketing ploy ☟︎
pete_dushenski: http://i.imgur.com/8JdtDmC.jpg << heh.
ben_vulpes: funny, it's like 90% of why i'm even here
pete_dushenski: like so far over my head that i barely have a thread to pull at in sometimes hundreds of consecutive lines
pete_dushenski: i'd be curious to know (and so will endeavour to find out) if there were as many people calling "bullshit" in the late 70s and early 80s when reported inflation was ~10% and loan rates for cars and houses were 20-25%
pete_dushenski: besides, is not trb news the dominion of mod6 'state of bitcoin addresses' or qntra ? i can certainly qntra, but i guess i'm not equipped to appreciate the significance of glibc-less-netbsd ☟︎
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu: but what if i took being excommunicated as a badge of merit and distinction ? please, tell me what i have to do to 'go spinoza' or 'go galileo' ;) ☟︎
pete_dushenski: Nassim Nicholas Taleb: ""We're not all famous authors". This is a type of smart ass easy comment only a bitter loser makes. In addition, it has a logical fallacy. Did it hit you that I have only been a "famous author" part of my life? Did it also hit you that it also applies to employment in general?" ☟︎
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349114 << Aha. Yes, just this was the first time I saw such fraud on crypto benchmark other than AES ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 04:33:15; punkman: "But I'm game. Give me a problem with 1,000,000 lines of C. But don't expect me to read the C, I couldn't. And don't think I'll have to write 10,000 lines of Forth. Just give me the specs of the problem, and documentation of the interface."
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 00:39:32; ben_vulpes: i don't see a macri coming by to devalue the webstack though. have been struggling to cook up the scenario wherein the world's managers declare technological bankruptcy and completely failing.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349039 << closest thing i know of to this is that ru ministry where they installed typewriters last year ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349020 << i'd like to actually press a cd. with the understanding that everything that will ever happen to the reference implementation, incl. compiler, asm, the whole toolchain shebang, all kernels worth looking at from the past, all trb dependencies, etc. WILL BE ON IT ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349015 << you know that was kinda why i did the whole libc investigation, recall ? ☝︎
punkman: "But I'm game. Give me a problem with 1,000,000 lines of C. But don't expect me to read the C, I couldn't. And don't think I'll have to write 10,000 lines of Forth. Just give me the specs of the problem, and documentation of the interface." ☟︎
punkman: I mean they have the 50core xeons
liquidassets: date=18-12-2015#1346518 << Maybe why I walk around with this shit eating grin all the time..
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 23:34:54; mircea_popescu: and if you want actual numbers, i just got a coupla girlies an apt. the sale value would have been i guess 160-170k or so. the monthly rent is 750. the first month, the washing machine went, and the owner replaced it. the next month, ac went (brother was that an incredible pos job wow), owner replaced it. so far owner's been making 0 from his property.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that scenario is very similar to mp going "i'm paying 1 btc for wuille's death cert".
ben_vulpes: i don't see a macri coming by to devalue the webstack though. have been struggling to cook up the scenario wherein the world's managers declare technological bankruptcy and completely failing. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> how to bridge the gap between 'v means i read and agree' vs. 'we need the source for these deps in the v-tree'? <<< " I signed this because we need the source for this shit. I didn't read it, I don't need to read it to tell you it's shit."
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348882 << i said this because a GB of c source IS NOT ANYTHING-IFYABLE << it's a starting point. you know, just like bitcoin-shitcore. ☝︎
jurov: "But don't expect me to read the C, I couldn't."
jurov: i can think of one :D
jurov: btw, i'm testing unchanged same code as i posted with jemalloc and zapmempool does shrink RSS by 50MB
ben_vulpes: yeah i didn't hear anything from asciilifeform to the contrary
mod6: so just to be clear, so I'm not holding anything up here; hashes of the following tarballs in V: BDB, openssl, and boost. ☟︎
mod6: i don't think anyone is slacking.
mod6: yeah, i think we need to write our own crypto lib
asciilifeform: i ain't patching openssl.
asciilifeform: possibly also 3) tx value/byte ordering --- but i'd put that under 2
asciilifeform: imho it has strictly two uses, 1) REFERENCE for writing an actual bitcoinatron, which is ~why i asked for it~ 2) keep the continuity flame burning until we can have 1
asciilifeform: i may have said this before, but it bears repeating - some folks might be labouring under unrealistic expectations re: what is possible with the reference trb.
ben_vulpes: how to bridge the gap between 'v means i read and agree' vs. 'we need the source for these deps in the v-tree'?
asciilifeform: if i ever sign a bdb, boost, or openssl as 'honestly reviewed this' please shoot me
asciilifeform: this experiment, if anyone recalls, is how i discovered the libc crud to begin with
asciilifeform: BUT i never finished the nand support.
asciilifeform: i even ported it to motherfucking pogo
asciilifeform: i did try netbsd, which has all of the same necessary attributes, BUT lacked essential drivers
asciilifeform: i said that buildroot is not really v-ifiable.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348882 << i said this because a GB of c source IS NOT ANYTHING-IFYABLE << i may have mis-remembered this or conflated it with something else. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i picked buildroot because it was the ONLY practical solution to letting folks who had not dedicated their lives to self-torture build a reasonable self-contained linux for $weirdcpu
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348879 << buildroot, iirc, will load tarballs from a local dir if they are present << yeah I think it does this from the 'dl' directory ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348882 << i said this because a GB of c source IS NOT ANYTHING-IFYABLE ☝︎
BingoBoingo: I might have been a while since I paid attention to Linux kernel versions
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 21:25:44; mod6: asciilifeform: ok. i'll think about how to implement these changes to V. right now, im not sure.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348856 << i'm not actually sure whether it needs any change ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2015 02:21:30; mod6: so what I'm hoping to accomplish here is to alter the .mk files that accompany buildroot, so they pull the 3rd party reqs directly from the foundation site instead of wherever they currently point to.
mod6: I think this was the conversation from a few weeks ago: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2015#1340754 ☝︎
asciilifeform: i go pet a pet for an hour and come back to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348866 ☝︎
ben_vulpes: i'm leaning towards a 'monorepo'
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRH-Ywpz1_I
mod6: so I think programatically I have it worked out on how to make this happen, was about to test last weekend? lemme dig up the logs on this.
mod6: I've been in halt mode for a week now, not sure if this has been sorted yet.
mod6: asciilifeform: ok. i'll think about how to implement these changes to V. right now, im not sure. ☟︎
jurov: i'm drinking li mineral water too, when feel like it
BingoBoingo: jurov: AHA. I was just thinking something to reduce the voltages a bit, though too much lithium takes the action potentials up to 111eleventy!!! and seizures.
ben_vulpes: i guess i'm asking if there's a known closed-form solution to this question.
mircea_popescu: ahaha rthat sound cs bit is golden. i'm bashing
ben_vulpes: there are n candidates, each with individual odds of winning a competition. how do i derive odds on the whole field from those binary outcomes?
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> I'll tell all of you where I live and my name and then they can watch for the news << alright ?
ben_vulpes: unless i'm even wronger than normal that's not a clean mapping