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mod6: ah, ok. It's not super easy to follow unless you've been keeping up with all the testing. I'm trying to keep the ML clean so people don't get tripped up later.

mircea_popescu: mod6 in fairness 99% of tribulation was because i wasn't using 99997

mod6: mircea_popescu: I'll reflect on this conversation and your trials/tribulations and use it to guide us going forward to the finish line here.

asciilifeform: it'd fill some pants i bet

mod6: yeah, noted. i think the design decision there was "if i put it in pwd, someone might not know where it is, they may just check ~/ first."

mircea_popescu: anyway, i could in principle put up ~60 of these overnight

mod6: i think i usually execute this like: `LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -myip=1.2.3.4 ... ect`

asciilifeform: one of these days i will saw out the locale idiocy from gcc

asciilifeform: there is no other way to flamethrower the ubiquitous braindamage that prevents every single thing i ever publish from building on half the boxes

mod6: If anyone else wants to do this tonight, to replicate my thing, I am here.

mod6: I am following my exact instructions above ^^^ nearly done building a rotor+V+TEST2.

danielpbarron: ah, that was the problem. I had named it asciilifeform.key

mod6: so where are you at now, and how can I help you accomplish your goal.

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> as it is i put .wot in /trb/.wot but the .seals are still up one level ;/ << noted.

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 as a purely aesthetic point, i hate that your v puts its files/dirs straight under ~. it would be much better if it made them under current dir. << alright

mod6: +asciilifeform> looks like mod6's script actually fetches it from openssl site << yes. for now, for testing. i haven't actually put up the stuff yet because until yesterday, wasn't finalized, wasn't signed etc.

trinque: oh and btw, linked the script to say "I have used this and it works" not "this is a release according to mod6"

mod6: but until we wrap up the final parts as discussed yesterday, i wont clutter up the ml

mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6 had a set of instructions up for cooking rotor ab initio, but it apparently wasn't in the ml << no. it "works" as far as I and others have tried it -- it relies upon haveing my, alf's, mp's, ben's, and trinque's keys in a ~/.wot dir iirc.

trinque out to dinner, will turn feeds back on when I return.

trinque: if so perhaps I should turn off the feeds until you're done.

mircea_popescu: i just downloaded the linux kernel...

mircea_popescu: i can't choose where to put anything, right ?

trinque: I would say that the file tree here needs some work.

mircea_popescu: right. so i now notice it made a rotor dir

trinque: the first output is it verifying signatures of various curl downloads, as I see it running it again.

mircea_popescu: trinque am i expecting any particular output ?

mircea_popescu: as it is i put .wot in /trb/.wot but the .seals are still up one level ;/

mircea_popescu: mod6 as a purely aesthetic point, i hate that your v puts its files/dirs straight under ~. it would be much better if it made them under current dir.

pete_dushenski also recalls this particular dpaste, even having tried it on fresh os!, and failing for reasons i shamefully didn't have time to delve into further

mircea_popescu: and fwiw i'm on rotor 99998 iirc.

trinque: hell I'll put it on deedbot.org

trinque: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-11-2015#1333964 << I had to dos2unix the script before running. ☝︎

trinque: he does. I have run it and am syncing a bitcoind from its product.

asciilifeform: somehow i thought that mod6 et al had something like a build system

mircea_popescu: i have exactly nothing anywhere. the disk is fucking empty. this is deliberate.

mircea_popescu: i fixed that and went to eat. she returned with an hour within minutes, and i've been spending my time debugging your inept shit.

mircea_popescu: listen to me : TWO HOURS ago i gave a girl a task.

mircea_popescu: i have to make this ?

mircea_popescu: what could possibly be odd about it. i had to gather them by hand, which i did.

mircea_popescu: that it, is the distfiles loaded and i can proceed ?

mircea_popescu: ok, so i have /rotor/stator/stator/distfiles/boost_1_52_0/ ; db-4.8.30/ ; openssl-1.0.1g/

mircea_popescu: im going to proceed on the grounds that i match that sha256 but srsly...

mircea_popescu: i get 8de651beb9a48f91f8a797f44966b8f25c3351d6893c1d79969aeb2ded3adeaf8fc14aa9b8a4410081dde9ef155330b41a4982a62b55adde40bb73f0066c74a2 boost_1_52_0.tar.gz

mircea_popescu: oddly the script i'm using as a guide to hack this together uses boost="http://sourceforge.net/projects/boost/files/boost" curl -L "$boost/1.52.0/boost_1_52_0.tar.gz" \ for some reason, unlike in the other two cases.

asciilifeform: sorta why i wanted a cd

mircea_popescu: why the fuck should i need to ask questions AFTER i read it. how am i better off than one who didn't bother reaqding it, for my effort ? and how's this encouraging people to rtfm already.

asciilifeform: (which, when i wrote this, everybody had going)

assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 21:21:34; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: but your controlling point about whose dominion is a thing is well taken. the boundaries here are very loosely defined, and yet so broad that i'm bound to miss important things, but mostly as these important things relate to trb development, an area where my only experience was debian testing and v-verification this summer

mircea_popescu: i expect nothing, thus i live longer.

mircea_popescu: i suppose we'll have to restate the genesis huh

mircea_popescu: pubkeys yo umean ? i have my own copies!

mircea_popescu: "ascii and mod6". "ok, here's what I get :

mircea_popescu: so /me gives new girl task to press v, half hour ago. other than the url issue above, "hey what sigs should i put in here ?" ☟︎

asciilifeform: (at some point i may or may not do a dietlibc and uclibc variant)

pete_dushenski: i only copy from my betters

asciilifeform: i don't even have my own shooting gallery

asciilifeform: the one i had to kludge around to get 'v' to work reasonably

pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: lol i remember ulrich, musta glanced over his name when skimming for recognisables. now i see him there too.

assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 21:09:58; pete_dushenski: and after actually reading up a bit on glibc instead of telling myself "oh that's nice, alf's done another miraculous thing, which'd be the third this week, each of which is so miraculous that idkwtf it is, if it even applies to anything in my universe", i found that one of the glibc maintainers is florian weimar of http://qntra.net/2015/09/many-network-appliances-leak-master-tls-private-keys-through

asciilifeform: i still wanna know what he was smoking when he did that one

assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 20:59:48; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349421 << i've never understood this rather commonplace criticism of taleb as being anything other than "ow my fee-fees hurt. that's not nice and it's certainly not how we do things in usistan where being successful and coming from somewhere other than the sewers is bad because reasons mkay"

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349591 << pointedly ~not~ what it is about. see thread re: brezhnev's book. the latter is not loathesome because i cry from failing to live up to brezhnev's imaginary heroism ☝︎

pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: lol if pantagruel's my boy, then i'm gargantua ;)

pete_dushenski: in trblandia, i'm the 30 iq kid

mircea_popescu: what else "have i never heard of before" ? medieval ice age ? volcano eruption driving cool summers ?

pete_dushenski: 86% of respondents: "No, I have never heard before that fossil fuels can cool area - it all needs looking at again."

pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: but your controlling point about whose dominion is a thing is well taken. the boundaries here are very loosely defined, and yet so broad that i'm bound to miss important things, but mostly as these important things relate to trb development, an area where my only experience was debian testing and v-verification this summer ☟︎

assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 09:57:30; mircea_popescu: it's to date the largest reply i ever had to make in an irc conversation, but it is in fact a reply in an irc conversation.

pete_dushenski: and after actually reading up a bit on glibc instead of telling myself "oh that's nice, alf's done another miraculous thing, which'd be the third this week, each of which is so miraculous that idkwtf it is, if it even applies to anything in my universe", i found that one of the glibc maintainers is florian weimar of http://qntra.net/2015/09/many-network-appliances-leak-master-tls-private-keys-through-forward-secrecy/ ☟︎☟︎

assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 16:53:56; mircea_popescu: i got more ego than taleb damnit.

pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349421 << i've never understood this rather commonplace criticism of taleb as being anything other than "ow my fee-fees hurt. that's not nice and it's certainly not how we do things in usistan where being successful and coming from somewhere other than the sewers is bad because reasons mkay" ☝︎☟︎

jurov: As a boring platform for the portable parts of boring crypto software, I'd like to see a free C compiler that clearly defines, and permanently

jurov: i suspect it isn't the case. let's say in middle ages 95% was the agriculture and 5% the religion ... and now the 5% remains under whatever guises (new age, dianetics, angelology, you name it) just the 95% moved on

jurov: i just don't make sense to apply the concept on church. did anyone perish due to church being displaced? no? then wtf we are having such virtual concepts?

jurov: as i hardly know any such person, i suspect hard atheism is actually very rare thing.

thestringpuller: hmm i can't reach qntra

asciilifeform: i'ma translate, brb

mircea_popescu: i can see the argument in favour of isolating all "cloud" crapolade anyway, from everything.

asciilifeform: the alchemical matter is of interest to me because i do not (and afaik nobody does) adequately have a handle on the phase transition, if you will, between voodoo and science, of a young field

asciilifeform: and i can't be arsed to get on a plane just for this

asciilifeform: i never get especially far with this, because the good sfuff is generally not on the net

asciilifeform: recently i went on an alchemical archaeology kick, motivated partly by desire to distinguish the 'good drivel' (the kind that actually made meaningful context-reference) from the straight drivel

asciilifeform: i'd guess it'd be boredom

mircea_popescu: "oh my god what if i read it and it makes sense to me".

mircea_popescu: well i suspect the reason for that disinterest is simple fear.

mircea_popescu: i never read that

mircea_popescu: i like the wesleyan fellow for the same reason, weirdass right wing fundamentalism notwithstanding

mircea_popescu: anyway, i imagine trying to read taleb to judge paths to success/create a path to success would be ungodly unnerving. i mostly like him because he provides an unalligned datapoint, by some definitions of unallignation.

asciilifeform: but i'm not convinced that the cultivated had anything to do with the win

asciilifeform: generally i find 'this is why i won' literature insufferably boring.

asciilifeform: (and if not, why not. as a deservedly obscure crackpot i give a fuck, perhaps nobody else does)

asciilifeform: also i am grossly underequipped to even venture to guess to what extent t. is a meatspace success

mircea_popescu: that's what i;m saying. somewhere between patently insane and alienly endearing. "he can'rt be fucking serious".

mircea_popescu: i suppose what saves it for my benefit is that romanian-ness has a humongous tradition in playing this for laughs

mircea_popescu: i got more ego than taleb damnit. ☟︎

asciilifeform: even if he stuck to describing own victories, he'd be readable. but i don't need 40 pages about how well-pedigreed his lebanese family tree

assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 06:14:47; pete_dushenski: Nassim Nicholas Taleb: ""We're not all famous authors". This is a type of smart ass easy comment only a bitter loser makes. In addition, it has a logical fallacy. Did it hit you that I have only been a "famous author" part of my life? Did it also hit you that it also applies to employment in general?"

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349134 << i like taleb's www and find it hard to disagree with his conclusions, but i simply cannot stomach his books. tried many times. reading his b00kz feels quite like having a titanic atomic cock shoved in your mouth; of such gargantuan proportions that it blots out the sun, moon, stars. ☝︎