asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox to check your original incoming

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wat

asciilifeform: grrr

asciilifeform: that sig needs to be there.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ?

asciilifeform: where the fuck is the sig?!

asciilifeform: other talks include 'smartphone honeypots'

asciilifeform: http://www.proofs-workshop.org/2013/slides/proofs2013_seifert_slides.pdf << lel, 'trojan-resilient ICs'

asciilifeform: and they have some decent quality material published re probing mobile nets, fuzzing, etc.

asciilifeform: hm, seclab/berlin inst. of tech, quite well represented at defcon, blackhat, etc

asciilifeform: i'd be curious to learn whatthefuck exactly is 'seclab', the site suggests some eldritch horror from the bowels of eu academia

asciilifeform: given as the key does not appear to have publicly signed anything, at least in so far as i can see with naked eye, there is no physical way to distinguish this find from an elaborate troll

asciilifeform: story might 'develop'

asciilifeform: https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de << others -- yes on sks.

asciilifeform: no reply from the good doktor thus far, but it is evening in berlin

asciilifeform: 2016-11-13 13:50:45.642313 phuctor time.

asciilifeform: by somebody or other.

asciilifeform: it was submitted manually the day prior to yesterday.

asciilifeform: i will add that the thing does not appear to reside on sks, though other items advertised as 'seclab' -- are

asciilifeform: no flipped bits or similar.

asciilifeform: so it had in fact come out of something resembling a battlefield pgptron.

asciilifeform: (does not appear to be of any special form, in so far as i can presently tell, but is in fact prime by every test i've tried)

asciilifeform: the resulting factor - is prime.

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: Seclab Signing Key 2015 <seclab@airgapped.sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de>; Seclab Signing Key 2016 <seclab@airgapped.sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de>;

asciilifeform: specifically, the one marked '2015' and '2016'.

asciilifeform: this recent find is an excellent illustration, it shared the factor solely with own subkeys

asciilifeform: but operates on all moduli at once, every time it fires.

asciilifeform: it does not rely on writing down the formerly found factors

asciilifeform: nope, that's not how bernstein's algo worx

asciilifeform: it nails moduli with 'small' factors.

asciilifeform: this number gets thrown into the hopper every time phuctor fires

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. 8ball is a 'primorial', it's this process that's been going 2*3*5*7*........... for months

asciilifeform wrote to http://www.isti.tu-berlin.de/security_in_telecommunications/menue/people/head re yesterday's find

asciilifeform bbl

asciilifeform: and, importantly, ~with what~ this gem was produced.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, shinohai , anybody with not so much to do but energy/time, why not reach out to these poor heathens and ask'em what the hell they thing they are doing on this 'airgapped' box.

asciilifeform: i eyeballed quite wrongly, this is a 4096b key.

asciilifeform: ... or not

asciilifeform: quite possibly this is the largest 'in-use' rsa key ever publicly broken.

asciilifeform: http://www.isti.tu-berlin.de/security_in_telecommunications/menue/overview << them, apparently.

asciilifeform: (it is not, afaik, in sks)

asciilifeform: whole thing submitted ~yesterday~

asciilifeform: (the modulus belongs to something labeled as 'Seclab Signing Key 2016 <seclab@airgapped.sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de>')

asciilifeform: it's a genuinely diddled key gen, and a MODERN one

asciilifeform: 141876709031507883553455452314931202170711277559709938918157034624428381091843733176552634481080290679291021661954570523305447050841482495845936945694373844932850748050349261100319 is prime.

asciilifeform: 31005686945950767346869798203302530896148655064259347472347220442209769254413352177384260278331050342456445126481343091027696015873408329180286505324090208791356401685488632594573639626011967028852284987701096711563071936459451551456586408347519841053310079208801257166857909170039731960765892368543865804443052865290666243414773205630247890049846389567873586221735235757006305508905620469362479398256074942799303909984882283079716566423

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-13#1566922 << 0 to do with 8ball ☝︎

asciilifeform bbl, meat

asciilifeform: or straight to qntra

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wanna write to them ?

asciilifeform: not mirrored, not flipolade, exp standard ☟︎

asciilifeform: ?!

asciilifeform: live! 8192b key

asciilifeform: holy SHIT

asciilifeform: (not, at any rate, public.)

asciilifeform: afaik 0 leak yet from 1sthand mouth.

asciilifeform: lulzy

asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/p4s72/?raw=true << contents.

asciilifeform: (bastard blocks archive.is. this is really a thing that needs a Final Solution, ovens & all )

asciilifeform: aaaaaaaaaand speaking of the pwned, https://www.leakedsource.com/blog/friendfinder << BingoBoingo / qntra ??

asciilifeform: Framedragger: a corrupted version of this key popped on phuctor a while back.

asciilifeform: (i.e. the 'glass cannon' saved for the 'end times')

asciilifeform: 'disposable,' patchable pwnholes are not quite same thing as iron backdoor.

asciilifeform: otherwise -- academic.

asciilifeform: it is relevant if and only if a key has 'teeth', e.g., opens backdoor in every x86 box on the net, etc.

asciilifeform: in this type of case, and only this type, do we have any 'protocolic' proof that the key represents actual power remaining from the old organization, and not 'mail room clerk with high selfesteem'

asciilifeform: likewise, if microshit wants to talk, or even participate on tmsr planet in the face of 1 surviving d00d, it can sign with its master key.

asciilifeform: (a ~broken~ key on phuctor is worth the skin of a dead donkey)

asciilifeform: burned into the mask rom

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the half dozen nonbroken ones

asciilifeform: then -- we know he has what to offer.

asciilifeform: it is already, consider, quite physically possible for some d00d to register here with the amd key (visible in phuctor)

asciilifeform: namely, the folks in physical possession of the magic keys for amd, intel, crapple, etc.

asciilifeform: i suspect that the most interesting 'fault lines' might be the ~existing~ 'mail room clerks with key'

asciilifeform: 'shall be delivered' is imho best possible illustration of what i spoke of here.

asciilifeform: because even the hypothetical is an abuse, imho, of basic physical law, like 'one day 2==1'

asciilifeform: suddenly, 'shareholders' with 'rights.'

asciilifeform: and suddenly no more 'who holds the key, controls crapple'

asciilifeform: and when you have the soup, the inevitable 'exceptions' are demanded, and given.

asciilifeform: 1 man - 1 key ; sanity. 11 men, 23 winblows boxes, 1 key -- soup.

asciilifeform: i'm still not sold on the concept of a pgp key in multiple pockets being any different an affair from old fiatola reich control.

asciilifeform: so now 'apple' is very small and consists of 1 unemployed ex-ceo d00d, or..

asciilifeform: well he goes into work the next day and the door dun open.

asciilifeform: apple - is an amoeba.

asciilifeform: so -- it'd be a lie, if some d00d, even the resurrected corpse of jobs, etc., showed up with key and said 'i am apple'

asciilifeform: where 'apple' is an organization, with board, etc.

asciilifeform: this is not plug-compatible with fiat reich.

asciilifeform: what this means ? that now 1 d00d 'is apple', like louis l'etat c'est moi ?

asciilifeform: picture if 'apple makes pgp key'

asciilifeform: let's work this one out, for educational lulz

asciilifeform: amoeba cannot surrender, it has no nervous system

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-13#1566749 <<>> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1566177 ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: (they have, iirc, at least 1 working launch system. unlike usa.)

asciilifeform: today.

asciilifeform: north kr also owns usa in rocketry.

asciilifeform: answer might depend on this.

asciilifeform: now i have nfi how much of the 'super' industry is geared for jet fighter, and how much - for plastic pumpkins and ipnohe.

asciilifeform: a national mistake, like the old dope habit.

asciilifeform: i do not expect to personally live to verify this guess, but i suspect that the chinese will remember the 1980-20xx period as something akin to the opium wars