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mircea_popescu: what "consensus" ? is this
a consensus of the derps that never beat anyone nor have ever educated anyone ?
mircea_popescu: <punkman> "To suggest that responding to such acts by
a teenaged daughter (14 going on 15 years), by spanking her with an object, would be educative or corrective, is simply not believable or acceptable by any measure of current social consensus." << indeed, gotta encourage the nudes :P << rank nonsense. beatings are quite educative, in practice.
mircea_popescu: mod6 your latest pressing away on
a new system. will announce it and add to trb fleet once done.
diametric: not sure that makes it
a trivial non-crime at that point.
punkman: "To suggest that responding to such acts by
a teenaged daughter (14 going on 15 years), by spanking her with an object, would be educative or corrective, is simply not believable or acceptable by any measure of current social consensus." << indeed, gotta encourage the nudes :P
funkenstein_: also related, turns out 樊麾 is
a friend of
a friend of
a friend. word from that channel is there was no handicap in matches
mod6: pete_dushenski: ya, as soon as we get
a couple of people confirming that v99996 builds for them correctly, we'll throw it into deedbot, but thanks!
pete_dushenski: just keep digging back into history until you're not swimming in shit, it's the b-
a way !
cazalla_: looking at getting
a toyota corolla, say 2011-2014 and most autos on the market are cvt, not 4spd auto and manuals seem few and far between :\
pete_dushenski: i'd say that, by and large, that's
a fair assessment of cvt transmissions : they're complex to repair and unintuitive to drive, in my experience
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2016 19:05:23; ben_vulpes: imagine you have to wait for your cane to become useful for
a minute randomly during
a beating
pete_dushenski: mod6: i have
a question about the version string patch... i seem to have applied it correctly but i'm still seeing version "50400" even when trying the '-setvernum' command so i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong. this is
a new instance that's in the process of syncing, not 'tevye', which properly shows '99999'. i used the original 99997k script and applied 'version-strings' and 'hearnificarum' manually and both are now
assbot: Woman says she is
a cat trapped in the wrong body - she hisses at dogs, hates water and claims she can even see better at night - Telegraph ... (
http://bit.ly/1PKiW2x )
mircea_popescu: gotta say, you know, "in keyring", save people
a boggle.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag what are you, from
a planet of shelf stable cheese, viande and laws ?
mircea_popescu: phf this is worthy goal and
a pretty effectual approach even if it doesn't get used for anything post-grok
mod6: as soon as i get through the end of this month,
a renewed emphasis will be put on ditching this script, and getting to
a finished place with trinque's makefiles that'll hopefully be easier to understand.
☟︎☟︎ ascii_butugychag: phf: i ~would~ like to see
a maximally-granular (split into patchons) version of mod6's flow graph
phf: having multiple hunks in
a patch modify several files at the same time creates
a harder transition constraint then simple antecedent/descendent pairing, so i'm thinking it's probably safe to construct
a graph in terms of transitions rather then purely
a/d. the end result should be the same
phf: mircea_popescu: anyway, i was speaking of how things are right now in v.py/v.pl.
a hunk touches
a file, hunks are grouped thematically (i.e. by
a single unit of meaning) in
a patch.
a pairing of antecedent/descendent creates
a graph and in combination with topo logical sort produces
a press order
phf: v is used to press the source only, but there's
a bunch of shit happening outside of v, including verifying some third party package signed by this korsgaard guy
hanbot: say mod6 (or whoever else knoweth), given keys in .wot dir are to be named by wot identity
a la mod6, what am i to name korsgaard's key, since he's not in wot?
phf: ascii_butugychag: i am speaking of vpatches, i'm starting to grok that mp is speaking at
a different level of abstraction
ascii_butugychag: the reason why i once suggested breaking up all patches into atomic patchons is that right now we have
a stricter than necessary dependency flow
☟︎ phf: i think it's relevant, but i need to reflect how. fwiw right now there's
a bunch of vpatches that modify multiple files at the same time
mircea_popescu: that situation may occur, and it is
a signal that the way code is split into files is broken and needs fixing, i guess.
phf: i remember ascii suggesting that perhaps we should stick to one hunk per patch, but that's not the case right with existing patches. if z thematically needs to touch two different files (
a and b), then both modifications are inside
a single patch
mircea_popescu: this remains true even if we go from
a, b being files to them being blocks, or themes, or other reasonable division.
mircea_popescu: note that (as per discussion today and intention throughout) your z should really be stated as z1
a' ->
a'' ; z2 b -> b'
mircea_popescu: i guess it would be
a transition graph, at least in most cases.
phf: so we have files
a, b and patches x, y, z. x is genesis. y is
a->
a'. z is
a'->
a" b->b'. the way v connects the graph is x-y x-z y-z, i.e. patches that have hunks that share state for
a file in before and after are connected. it is explicitly not
a transition graph, which would be x-y y-z (since you can't apply z on top of x without first applying y)?
mod6: and upon
a few others successfully building, trinque, can you work your magic with deedbot and place that guy in there so its like deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-v99996K.sh or whatever?
☟︎☟︎ mod6: thanks danielpbarron -- hey please give this
a try if you can. I figured that you might be
a good one to simplify the steps and up date the wiki as soon as we get some confirmation that all is good with the script
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2016 19:13:35; mod6: you just need to create
a .wot dir and place keys in there, then (in the same directory do this): `./build-bitcoind-v99996.sh`
ascii_butugychag: ('boogie' is an a5-sized slate thing that changes colour from pressure, and has
a button, press and it erases to black. runs on tiny watch battery.)
mircea_popescu: actually, there's
a cartoon of all thiongs that best illustrates what
a blackboard is as
a device of thought. lemme see if i can fish it out\
mircea_popescu: anyway. the value of the blackboard is
a sort of peripheral remanence of summary.
mircea_popescu: it's mathematical alright, just i guess unsatisfying for
a wholly unrelated biological cue
mircea_popescu: blackboard is
a thing of thought. what's on it, less important.
mircea_popescu: consider the epic failuire of private messages to gather import or relevance in the trb and you;'ll have
a fine illustration of why multiband is retarded.
mircea_popescu: the discussion is whether you're an educated sort of dude with collapsed bands, or
a barbarian needing "multiple" but somehow magically not infinity-many bands
phf: i remember there was
a pretty big stink when firefox was magic sequencing xml files as rss feeds years ago
phf: you're trying to wire
a latex renderer on top of logs?
mircea_popescu: "This is one of those things that seem true for those who have gotten spoiled by the windowing environment. The reason this can't be considered true is that at some point, you have to specify (or get down to)
a ModelOfComputation, and the one most programmers use is simply different than LISP which is very different since it has no definition of MachineTypes?. See ConfusedComputerScience."
mircea_popescu: “We see the Slashdot community as
a vibrant community made up of industry professionals and enthusiasts that are extremely passionate about tech, tech news and discussion, many of which have been active and engaged for over
a decade,” he added.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that article is fucking epic. dude's so pointedly answering from
a web-cattle farmer locus it's hysterical.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: what i want is not
a gutted corpse of gnudiff, but
a turing-complete vtron
mircea_popescu: Slashdot Media, which owns the popular websites SourceForge and Slashdot, has been sold to SourceForge Media, LLC,
a subsidiary of web publisher BIZX, LLC << o check it out, moar spam.
trinque: yep, I have
a ticket open to have an SSD put in my new box,b ut am awaiting response from the (disappointing) new DC
mircea_popescu: well other than get bogged down in / give
a shit about inept nonsense being thrown their way.
ascii_butugychag: nah iirc he is actually using
a product called btcd, by one conformal co.
trinque: I... have it on
a restart cron job... and I feel dirty.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag i just meant they've been living in
a particular half-world for
a while now.
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2016 14:55:07; trinque: there is
a kiss of death for btcd which halts it in its tracks, does not crash.
ascii_butugychag: i just brought
a set of sparse matrices to orgasm, for instance
ascii_butugychag: the one about what jobs you were willing to take when you were
a consultant
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2016 19:02:40; mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag this harkens back to such
a more lovely time in the computer lab.
mod6: you just need to create
a .wot dir and place keys in there, then (in the same directory do this): `./build-bitcoind-v99996.sh`
☟︎ ben_vulpes: and deserves more of
a place in the lgos.
ben_vulpes: just wait the thirty seconds randomly five times per event, having
a spare on hand will never pay off.
ben_vulpes:
a whole gurl just to supply extra canes in case yours hangs?!
ben_vulpes: programming similarly is not
a supur of the moment.
mircea_popescu: punishment doesn't necessarily have to be
a spur of
a moment thing, i'm not training dogs.
ben_vulpes: imagine you have to wait for your cane to become useful for
a minute randomly during
a beating
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 29-01-2016 16:35:23; mircea_popescu: actually that's the first time someone brought
a cogent, well thought out objection to the classic "programmers wanna play and so ruin productivity spending moe time on tools than the tools save" thing
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag this harkens back to such
a more lovely time in the computer lab.
☟︎ ascii_butugychag: the overall idea i am trying to teach is that anybody changing
a line of trb ought to be mindful of the work this creates for others
☟︎ ascii_butugychag: (and questions like 'is this ONLY
a format change' ought to be answerable mechatronically)
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the other point : even if scheme does in the end become an integral part of sane error management
a) his work is very important for providing the structure that'll illuminate that and b) will prolly be mostly reused strings in different wrapping anyway.
polarbeard: usually there is
a lot of blind trust involved
polarbeard: mircea_popescu: yep, will come back with
a task-unified group of patches
mircea_popescu: polarbeard don't get this wrong, you did
a lot of very useful work in that patch.
polarbeard: punkman: yes, the rube-goldberg pipe was inteded to be used as
a nohup'd tail on debug.log
polarbeard: I'm open to suggestions but now I'm
a bit saturated of this, I'll somewhere else for some days...
mircea_popescu: the point is that people running bitcoind have
a whole array of measures, which mostly work as cat logfile | mess
punkman: polarbeard: the thing usually runs as
a daemon
mircea_popescu: yes, if you just dump into console i'm going to have to pipe the program throuygh
a bunch of different greps
ascii_butugychag: so i can ask the same question, line after line, for
a whole patch
mircea_popescu: polarbeard yeah, you get the right idea, but seriously, making
a single patch consisting of JUST -return error +return error is the right way
polarbeard: mircea_popescu: the patch ended up being
a bit verbose, yep, but it made sense to me fixing the messages as I was adding metadata, that's why I didn't add filtering, to not add actual logic to an already pretty big patch
mircea_popescu: there's
a lot of stuff in there that will necessarily result in
a huge patch (the guy is stuck, willy-nilly, doing
a lot of
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: it bothered me that polarbeard apparently does not yet fully grasp that every line he writes is
a unit of ~work~ for other people to do.
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