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mod6: ok yeah, there is
a ref in there. ^
mircea_popescu: the first is
a mere spelling error. the second, shoul;dn't there be
a [R]eference to the email ?
ben_vulpes: don't even add up to
a whole computer over the year.
phf: he can get me
a pm at $150/hr and two junior devs $50/hr each in no time. selection will work by next iteration, but will depend on jquery and react
☟︎ mod6: sometimes when i'm quoteing someone, as opposed to
a thing, i'll use `` '' instead.
mircea_popescu: ``heathen command'' << am i the only one seeing
a weird set of unmatching quotes here ?
mircea_popescu: statutory solutions to bad design,
a "western world" specialty.
ben_vulpes: could just as easily be
a USG FUD campaign.
mircea_popescu: mostly because the conversion consists of substracting from
a constant
mircea_popescu: juist like numerically there is no way to distinguish between
a transaction that was signed low and one that was signed high and malleated to low.
mircea_popescu: numerically, there is no way to distinguish between
a transaction that was signed high and
a transaction that was signed low and malleated to high
ben_vulpes: i create
a transaction with
a low s value. someone listening to broadcast transactions can rewrite my tx to have
a high s value.
mircea_popescu: "is it as possible to turn
a grade from 50% to 75% as it is to turn it from 75% to 50%" ?
ben_vulpes: can someone confirm that it's just as possible to malleate
a transaction low->high s as it is to malleate it high->low ?
mircea_popescu: nevertheless,
a large chunk of what mod6 is doing is running through the ever-expanding ball of patches and making
a curated set.
ascii_rear: i have
a nongmail box but it is rapidly drowning under deluge
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 14:42:22; mircea_popescu: just, if you want to add
a patch, should be able to dump it as dpaste also.
jurov: punkman you're welcome to contribute
a script that checks web submission (upload form for clearsigned text + any number of "attachments") and turns it into email
punkman: web-based turdatron woulda saved you
a lot of debug time :/
mod6: asciilifeform: <+mod6> so... i've integrated asciilifeform's fix into
a new patch that will replace the old one:
http://dpaste.com/2KCXN8A.txt << <+mod6> ahh, and then there is this now -- when compiling with alf's fix incorporated: <+mod6>
http://dpaste.com/1AVK5ZP.txt << any thoughts on how to fix0r this?
mod6: well, i missed
a few, need to clean those up :P
mod6: yup yup, i put
a 0x0a in there just to preseve 80 cols. but perl deoesn't care nor does it add
a '\n' to the command string
mod6: notice how there is
a space after '=long '
ben_vulpes: well there is
a line break between those two strings
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> so the '.' is both
a line-break escape and string concatenation? << its not
a line break. its just
a string concatenation.
ben_vulpes: so the '.' is both
a line-break escape and string concatenation?
mod6: "command part
A" . "command part B" and set that equal to $import
mod6: ok so whats going on there is that to preserve 80 cols, i create
a command spanning two lines
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 17:53:34; phf: mircea_popescu: hey trinque jurov phf : would it be possible to take that very nice graph phf showed, turn it into
a proper svg and have the nodes clickable ? << like
http://104.131.72.249/patches/? (is in no way bulletproof, so i expect it to be down by the time i come back from breakfast)
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 17:53:21; mod6: <+ben_vulpes> yo mod6 what does it mean in perl to do my $var = "string" . \n "otherstring" is the period
a linebreak escape in perl, and the variable implicitly
a concatenation of the two strings << where do you see this? this is not
a thing. that would fail to compile/pass-interpreter-smell-test.
phf: perhaps then trb instructions should be "download mod6.asc into ~/.wot" which is
a trust starting point
mod6: so ben_vulpes, understand that there is like
a jumble of different things he submitted, and if the wrong ones are incorporated, it might puke.
mod6: i kinda have to turn
a deaf ear to
a lot of this stuff until the new month starts, and even then, i gotta keep my eye on the prize - dispite any other problems on the periphery.
mod6: i might need
a reminder. i did go through
a bunch of your comments though.
ben_vulpes: did you get
a chance to repro the issue i ran into with asciilifeform's shiva patches?
ben_vulpes: entirely unrelatedly, can anyone corroborate the story of the russians who burned
a shitton of usd on camera and got the then-fed to credit some domestic account or other?
ben_vulpes: how many rickety fucking buckets of others' design must
a man endure before he gets the fuck out and walks on his own feet is the question i'm endeavoring to resolve for myself
adlai: how many roads must
a man walk down before he stops taking the less-trod fork
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 19:45:44; phf: clasp is not "compiler research", is designed to scratch itch of
a single person, for doing computational chemistry
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the fact that bitcoin-os is the unavoidable end of this entire process requires things be thought out with
a view to that fact.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, compiling bitcoin in bitcoin is not either
a goal or liable to be implemented before actually having
a bitcoin-fs say.
mircea_popescu: i think maybe you've formed
a partial idea of what's being discussed through the age old process of having read
a partial set of what's been said.
adlai doesn't want
a CD because 4/5ths of his hardware doesn't know what CDs are... but this is back to bedrock issues
mircea_popescu: the reason alf wants
a cd is because what he really wants is
A BOOT CD.
mircea_popescu: looky : currently we have
a script that pulls dependencies, checks them, and builds.
adlai: mircea_popescu: in these early days, when Bitcoin does not yet fully Exist, it seems as though everything is an option. the full shiva vision, as i understand it from recent logs, opens the door to doing exactly that, if some energetic idiot decides it's
a good idea
mircea_popescu: adlai there's no option to embedding
a compiler in an os.
phf: clasp is not "compiler research", is designed to scratch itch of
a single person, for doing computational chemistry
☟︎ adlai: again, not trying to perscribe what's right; obviously asciilifeform understands what he's trying to do infinitely better than i can; but... i think the line is somewhere between embedding an interpreter for
a subset of r5rs, and embedding
a ~compiler~
mircea_popescu: adlai no, shiva isn't supposed to be "an optimal point". it is supposed to be
a CORRECT replacement of
a currently broken implementation.
adlai: my understanding is that nobody here wants to make bitcoind, the minimal concrete-sealed weaponized Bitcoin-that-Exists, able to compile
a new version of itself
mircea_popescu: as the linecount you're digesting increases you don't need more people. you need smarter ones. it's not like if you need one brick carried you hire one lout and ifg you need 10000 you hire 10000. it's like if you want 1kg carried you can use
a dog, and if you need 10 tons you gotta learn to speak whale now.
adlai: modern CL (as opposed to the ANSI doorstop) is
a tool that evolved from
a standard. r5rs is
a standard. tinyscheme is
a tool. etc etc... vita brevis, but there are at least
a couple usable artes
phf: adlai: clasp is
a good fit for tendriling trb, if i had more time, i'd use it in
a similar way to shiva. but then i'm already building trb on llvm/clang, etc. it is anti-ba though because of pedigree and ownership problem. can use it, if you have resources to read through 5 or so 100k loc projects
mircea_popescu: physics is
a well known whore. behaves the exact same way.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you know what "not making the cut" is wqith
a woman ? even if you're
a saudi prince and your daddy buys her for you ; even if you're an afghan monkey and she deeply believes she has to. there's
a point where you make the cut or don't, and that's what it is.
adlai: clasp is an answer to
a specific problem which nobody here has... it's equally anti-pythagoras
phf: clasp is very much anti-ba, there's no question about it, pulls
a lot of projects together, of questionable pedigree
mircea_popescu: <adlai> if "standards" is plural, it's already noncompliant <<< for the record, the reason the enemy uses the plural there isn't that the enemy is this stupid, but that it believes in patchwork. ie, standards : one for this, one for that, together they make up
a complete thing.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this is for
a motherfucking crystalspace project
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i believe clasp is
a standards-compliant commonlisp
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ben_vulpes: because i want to press "shiva" into
a tree that doesn't have, say, malleus_mikehearnificarum
mircea_popescu: and even without the economic consideration, from
a purely intellectual perspective. what is this inhuman, anti-intellectual "the bitcoin developers" bs ? we're not living in the village of pythagora over here, and we don't expect "anonymity" to stand in for sovereignity like five years old. gimme the motherfucking list.
ben_vulpes: it nominally offers
a lot over standard cl cffi, but i have not verified that myself.
mircea_popescu: (this approach probably makes the ancient "group is the enemy of intelligent life" / "only threat to wot model is agreement" etc painfully obvious - if
a, c and d are
a compact i'll just note them epsilon and pretend it's one thing)
mircea_popescu: so by building B in the example i am in the situation where i know
a and c and d must ALL lie.
mircea_popescu: basically i seek to answer two questions, from
a management point of view.
phf: mircea_popescu: is that
a list of names that correspond to .wot? i.e. each patch has (asciilifeform, mod6, etc.) and then there's
a set of all wots for current press?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd say it's
a degree question. if
a hole found close to the surface, supuration is advised. if not, let blood carry the germs out. just like the body treats infection.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the first list for B is
a b c d whereas the 2nd list for B is (
a) ; (c) ; (d) ie 3 lists.
mircea_popescu: the first list for C is
a b c d whereas the 2nd list for C is D.
mircea_popescu:
A signed by
a b c d ; B off
A, signed by
a, c, d. D off
A, signed by
a, d. C off D signed by d.
mod6: i'll be afk for
a bit.