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asciilifeform: eh they were all 'manyto1', the 1 centralized aol box. (at least in the case of aol messenger, which was popular in usa at the time)
asciilifeform: who wants - go, make server.
asciilifeform: in the same sense where ftp is
asciilifeform: the ~servers~ were centralized
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there were, iirc, openly published clients for all of these
asciilifeform: Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1527135 << thread ☝︎
asciilifeform: at any rate from my 'general's armchair' i am hard-pressed to technically distinguish aim, watsap, icq, slack.
asciilifeform: (sadly nothing of interest was to be found therein, but for the fact)
asciilifeform: in 2003 i bought a massive hp pa-risc box (complete with emp shielding grates, power supply on wheeled rails, etc) and it turned out to have been an old aol 'messenger' server !
asciilifeform mind boggles
asciilifeform: the central box still runs?!
asciilifeform: srsly?! today?!
asciilifeform: shinohai: 'slack' is simply today's 'aol messenger', 'icq', same '90s centralized chatroom item. sufficiently similar, on surface, to irc, that i'd imagine folks would be used to the concept ?
asciilifeform: (almost the entire mendeleev table, in fact!111)
asciilifeform: and there is gold and uranium in ocean water.
asciilifeform: for short time, 2006-7ish.
asciilifeform: i got acct on reddit 10 years ago now... still remember when there were ~people~ there
asciilifeform: do they not have conversations in meatspace..?
asciilifeform: (we had how many, few dozen? 'fromphuctor' folk. and 1, 2, spoke ?)
asciilifeform: them peanut folk are surprisingly shy
asciilifeform: it is likely from a http://webchat.freenode.net i left in reddit thread somebody put here the other day.
asciilifeform: aww.
asciilifeform: !!up frompeanutgaller
asciilifeform: iirc later it was banned, so it must work on ~somebody~
asciilifeform: ( did have strange dream that night, but i often do anyway )
asciilifeform: fwiw i once ate some of its liquid extract (it was at one point freely available in usa, was literally the only type of dope i could physically get !) and it did... zero.
asciilifeform: (in family by itself)
asciilifeform: iirc -- pharmacologically unique
asciilifeform: there are books even on flying mig. but there are afaik none on flying mig under a non-liftable sea bridge (there is photo of this!). 'cons-free lisp' resembles the latter more than 'sop' operation.
asciilifeform: one of the difficulties of the student is that most 'adult' lisp work took place in the era before 'must publish everything', 'open sores', etc.
asciilifeform: trinque: afaik only the leaked smbx lm sources.
asciilifeform: trinque: also this'll be good practice for writing 'cons-free' manually-driven lisp, for when we do os bootloader, kernel, similar.
asciilifeform: trinque: peruse the docs for your particular lisp, most of'em provide knobs for 'dangerous' manual manipulation of the 'auto gearbox', if you will
asciilifeform: and it's for 'list processing' in same way as fortran-90 is for 'formulae translation'...
asciilifeform: or pollute less.
asciilifeform: has heuristics for when to fire. if you don't like'em, gotta (gc)
asciilifeform: because it isn't magic
asciilifeform: trinque: yer doing destructive ops and then wondering where gc was?!
asciilifeform: it helps that we're 'neighbours'.
asciilifeform: neato
asciilifeform: anyone else who wants, please pm asciilifeform
asciilifeform: bring a 12GB-sized bucket
asciilifeform: ... which one of you nuts wanted a copy of phuctor db ??
asciilifeform: speaking of american teenagers, vintage lel : https://archive.is/ICxt
asciilifeform: (and now i must surely bbl, this thread could go on and on.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mtbf of the linux boxes at my ~house~ is measured in years... why do you suppose is this.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu has point. i'ma back to wurk, bbl.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: i would keep it personally if i had where. (see old thread.)
asciilifeform: and i will add that , aside from the login keyz, there are 0 secrets on the box.
asciilifeform: once it stops responding to shell, it may as well have been stolen.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: which is why 'comes offline' is enough misbehaviour from my pov.
asciilifeform: physically it ~can~ dump ram, research proj i led at the time investigated how to coax it to do this, among other things
asciilifeform: i had occasion to install such a machine a few yrs ago, somewhere, it came with 'kvm chipset', but this feature was not advertised. the advertised feature is just that, kvm, where you get a tty prompt.)
asciilifeform: built-in ram forensictron ?
asciilifeform: (this is not hard, but gotta wonder , what , this is sop in commercial kvm chip nao ?)
asciilifeform: leaves 0 trace.
asciilifeform: such cheap. logs in as root, deletes logs on the box (yes)
asciilifeform: this was a fiddybuck/mo dc.
asciilifeform: it cost 0. (but there was a queue, sometimes a whole hour long!)
asciilifeform: by itself it did 0, customer had to log in with own pw.
asciilifeform: ethernet snake on other end.
asciilifeform: that plugged into vga jack and kbd.
asciilifeform: well the one i subscribed to in the past, had a physical cart, with wheels
asciilifeform: i only know how mine work.
asciilifeform: fritz ? nope.
asciilifeform: processor - yes. ram - yes. disk - yes.
asciilifeform: i dun recall specifying 'remote admin card'
asciilifeform: i had nfi that we were even buying a 'fritz chipped' box.
asciilifeform: a 'welded shut box' + dc supplies GB pipe + mains current dc would be mega-product.
asciilifeform: incidentally i have machines right here in my house subjected to far harsher loads , 24/7/365, and somehow -- mysteriously -- they never ONCE suffer 'martian' failures.
asciilifeform: (mega-unsurprise, incidentally.)
asciilifeform: these showed 0 thing of interest.
asciilifeform: ever since the theft of the original phuctor machine, i keep scrolling logs on SEPARATE LCD in real time, 24/7/365
asciilifeform: *failures
asciilifeform: 0 faulures-to-anything.
asciilifeform: 0 clue in logs.
asciilifeform: btw werker uses db for approx. 40 seconds of a run, to dump keys, which subsequently all load into memory.
asciilifeform: 0 evidence of what killed it.
asciilifeform: fwiw box is back.
asciilifeform: the dc can't or won't supply packet chart ?
asciilifeform: 0328 hours lithuania time. ☟︎
asciilifeform: *halt
asciilifeform: i had a RUNNING SESSION 24/7 on own display, and it ground to a half
asciilifeform: it needs 0 disk access !
asciilifeform: a RUNNING SESSION no less
asciilifeform: newsflash: sshd doesn't care !!
asciilifeform: for fucks sake
asciilifeform: it is WHAT WE BOUGHT IT FOR
asciilifeform: and idiot monkey ~will~ see 'cpu utilization 95%' and think 'killing the box'
asciilifeform: i'm still convinced re syn flood.
asciilifeform: let'em reboot. and i will start on the sawing-apart of the werker and wwwtron as soon as my hands are again free.
asciilifeform: the code has guaranteed run bounds. so i cannot make any comment re 'in general', there is nothing to fix.
asciilifeform: how would mircea_popescu react if one of his gurlz misplaced her undies, and his landlord came and said where they were ?
asciilifeform: ip-kvm will show only to folks who have login on the box.
asciilifeform: but i dunno that anyone other than mircea_popescu had any business knowing that the process were called.
asciilifeform: yes, in fact it is.
asciilifeform: so this story (and how the fuck does the monkey know process name ?) holds 0 water.
asciilifeform: also i will add, 'werker' saturates 15/16 cores for 20 MINUTES of any given runtime.
asciilifeform: understand, thing has gone like clockwork for ~year now.
asciilifeform: ( i certainly do not recall giving the monkey an account on the box )