asciilifeform: and american-style liberasty is simply the indignation of one set of redditors that the other is paid, while they - not
asciilifeform: (and often there is considerable time on literal reddit etc. involved.)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: most folx in usa working 'office job' are not doing anything considerably different, in aesthetic or even results, than reddit click
asciilifeform: well no. but same circuits are engaged.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it isn't so different from ordinary concept of 'profession'. cobbler expects to be paid to make boots, not to sweep street. etc
asciilifeform: roughly what sort of bag of money was needed to get in the door ?
asciilifeform: was showing up to this gig somehow 'expected', what, officemates in the dept. of derpland seekoority would make fun of d00d who didn't show ?
asciilifeform: this is quite puzzling, if you aren't into public fuck ( as asciilifeform for instance is not ) WHY COME to such party
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what do the 'winners' typically do with the 'win' ?
asciilifeform: (in terms for how seriously heavy holders come by it)
asciilifeform: usd is not so distant from reddit token.
asciilifeform: the hn, reddit, etc. bots+meatpuppets collectively sum to 0 imho.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: what isn't clear to me is that we lose anything thereby
asciilifeform: Framedragger: you can try, our material generally lasts 1-2 hrs. there.
asciilifeform: actually this may well be. and this train of thought has gone off the cliff of asciilifeform's very, very limited experience with the Expertly Sad demographic.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because even the dull know that bitcoin cannot be magicked out of the aether.
asciilifeform: btw the same folx who spat on eulora coin -- happily jumped through 1,001 hoops to participate in pyramids on tardstalk etc. because, i suspect, they are not actually stupid, and pyramid offers the dull an opportunity to ~scan next level down~. whereas they could not see where greater fool is to come from at eulora.
asciilifeform: monkeys do not know how to turn door knob.
asciilifeform: because a d00d keeping promises re money is so far removed from everyday experience of homo americanicus
asciilifeform: notice how 'civilians' (reddit folk etc) still react in disbelief when they read about mpex having worked as-described ? they will sooner believe in telekinesis, ufo proctologists abducting 50yo d00dz, divine healings, etc.
asciilifeform: and mother taught them 'no free lunch'
asciilifeform: perhaps these people are slightly more 'long term' thinkers than appearances let on ?
asciilifeform: would this 'mineral' coin remain, waiting to be dug out, in the game, if sizeable population of these folx actually appeared to look for it ..?
asciilifeform: Framedragger: do not hurry. my hands - quite full atm.
asciilifeform: (1 btc / mo. will buy a starvation-level existence in the cheaper parts of usa. supposing you also know how to convert it to zimbabwistan currencies.)
asciilifeform: how much play does it take to extract, say, 1btc, with 'manual labour' ?
asciilifeform: well that's for the intro. but does it smell sufficiently like 'meal ticket' ?
asciilifeform: this is why 'convert stupid folx' is imho a total and irredeemable dead end -- because they are not ~that~ stupid, and - while knowing that beelzebub created them to die in a uranium mine at age 19, there is instead this scam where they get 'picket fence house' and a 'ford.' so why should they volunteer for the mine.
asciilifeform: the 'min wage' folx do this thing... where was the thread, with the 'we make a home!'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-20#1571565 << 'min wage' as found in usa and elsewhere is a complex and long-term parasitic relationship, not a d00d who throws a penny at a bootblack and expects something other than derisive smirk☝︎
asciilifeform: (needless to say, wiener's b00k has 0 to do with computer or any similar mechanism from today)
asciilifeform: it was the 'fandom', on the other hand...
asciilifeform: as a student i read the thing, expecting the worst, but it was surprisingly sane
asciilifeform: (it is, incidentally, the idiot word salad 'fandom' of ~this~ 'cybernetics' that stalin banhammered, and not some other, practical thing)
asciilifeform off to try an' get $useful_thing done, bbl.
asciilifeform: in the latter - i have nfi. SHIPYARDS!11111
asciilifeform: in the former - yes, d00d like mircea_popescu who can do arithmetic and write down the alphabet, say, is citizen, and locally born monkey - not.
asciilifeform: there are really 2 'trumpreichs', the imaginary, spherical one, which is friend of tmsr, sound money, etc. and the physical one, that is (to borrow from lenin) 'we smashed the old shithouse and now gotta build new one using the bricks of the old'
asciilifeform practices, 'Spieß voran! Drauf und dran! Setzt aufs Princetondach den Roten Hahn!'
asciilifeform: or say, mr.t's 'rebuild and reinvigorate' (or what was it) nsa/cia
asciilifeform: and i always liked to imagine that a pl/i programmer dies like the proverbial talmudist dies, when a volume of the megalithic encyclopaedia of crapolade finally falls on his head from the top shelf
asciilifeform: there were (and for all i know, still !) periodic conventions where folks would demand MOAR featuritis
asciilifeform has a relative who moved to usa in 1980s and made phat wage programming in PL/I for many many years. it is 'featurism' incarnate, like american legal code. and for roughly same reason.
asciilifeform: 4. watch those schmucks over there, they built a working machine. and now nobody needs'em, they dun MATTER. 5. we will not make this mistake
