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ascii_butugychag: and folks who cannot, or will not, attempt said understanding, will have to find themselves
a priest, yes.
ascii_butugychag: the trick here is that the proposition that you could actually understand
a device that you own, is
a hard sell to
a great many folks
thestringpuller: "Do you not understand how
a web of trust functions, or why?"
ascii_butugychag: having it with somebody who understands nothing of how his civilization is put together, to whom flashlight, pc, boeing, are equally magical - is
a snore.
☟︎ ascii_butugychag: next time try & have the argument with
a literate man, who can grasp how, e.g., flashlight works
ascii_butugychag: if your box pipes it to bash and executes, that is
a problem with you, not 'blockchain'
thestringpuller: So no, I don't buy storage often. I usually try to buy enough for 5 years at
a time.
thestringpuller: My most powerful box runs i5
a 1.5 TB array. Best thing in the box is
a 960 GTX
trinque: pff I'm paying 25/mo for
a colo'd server with SSD
trinque: still seeing something that knocks btcd into
a stuck state
ascii_butugychag: ;;later tell mircea_popescu in what sense is adoptinc keccak
a rejection of usg standards? it was actually adopted as sha3...
☟︎ ascii_butugychag: it is my considered judgement that maintaining the illusion of 'we got it right the first time' is
a pointless thing.
mod6: and
a similar situation in V would be like 69 patches to patch the original patch.
mod6: ascii_butugychag: one fix every now and then isn't horrible or anything, id just hate to see the situation (like at usg-like job) where people create
a turd, create
a PR, and then have to keep chainging the PR until "ready"
ascii_butugychag: if it were given
a place to pump in patches, we could finally give turdatron
a proper burial
ascii_butugychag: i still think regrinds are
a thing to be avoided whenever possible, but whatever
phf: there's
a bug of some sort, pretty sure your polarbeard_better_log_messages shouldn't press from asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected, i'll look into it tonight
mod6: compiled just fine, just kicked it off for
a quick test...
mod6: anyway, i created
a new patch for PVS and did
a regrind on malleus (since this one depends on main.cpp)
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag you've lived
a sheltered lyf alfie :D
ascii_butugychag: the more i think about it, the more it seems to me that mining is
a catastrophic bug per se
BingoBoingo: <punkman> BingoBoingo: dunno, wasn't that interesting in retrospect << As
a general rule cases become far less interesting when pleas happen
ascii_butugychag: pools full of sheeple who can be steered, turned on
a dime, are
a Bad Thing
mircea_popescu: "do you know that currently, all
a miner needs is to know the header of the previous block to mine" "yes"
assbot: The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema -
A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1m8jMbl )
punkman: mircea_popescu: what is
a shifted nonce?
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag anyway, if the nice folks of whatever wish to change bitcoin more in the sense of, full block hash not headers, i wouldn't automatically reject it. i described
a point which must be included, but i also said its details are open to discussion.
BingoBoingo: punkman: Why haven't you submitted
a writeup on the Liberty Reserve thing yet?
mircea_popescu: punkman probably. unless you keep
a table of historical chain by nonces.
punkman: would you have to recalculate the digest to verify any incoming blocks as
a node?
mircea_popescu: i mean. how is this more or different of
a workfunction change.
mircea_popescu: (they way this is likely going to be asic'd is by keeping rainbow tables, and just adding octets. nevertheless - this STILL requires the whole chain be preserved. even if in
a diff format)
mircea_popescu: and it'll be way the fuck cheaper for them to buy it from you than for them to bake
a cpu and hdd into the 80s era vlsi.
ascii_butugychag: i think i have
a stronger chance of flying to mircea_popescu's house on
a glider powered by my own farts, than for this to so much as budge the schelling point from bitcoin by so much as
a nanometre.
mircea_popescu: and you have
a cpu and
a hdd, and can just produce this information.
trinque: perhaps it is
a matter of the key generated being invalid, though I would've expected the bits I'm using for pubkey/address generation to barf at that, and didn't
mircea_popescu: and ukrainian whores have
a stranglehold on german streetwalking.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying russia makes all mop buckets and so they have
a stranglehold.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag this is
a general principle that works generally.
mircea_popescu: 1tb of ram will be overwhelmed by 20mb blocks in
a few years.
mircea_popescu: this is an oversight. they want
a change, fine, but they must fully commit to it.
mircea_popescu: but on the basis of what we currently known,
a strict coupling there (4 or less bits of shift) is untractable
mircea_popescu: yes there's some economy of scale to be had with well designed flash banks, made each the size of
a block etc.
mircea_popescu: if you have
a drive that seeks and also updates, why not have
a cpu ?
mircea_popescu: nevertheless : the grime's still there, and bitcoin would do
a lot better with
a better logging system
polarbeard: to be honest, I see this thing going forward if I don't have to generate
a new patch again
mircea_popescu: this has on one side exposed
a lot of the underlying grime, and on the other side is bugging your centralist mind because you don't want to read thousands of lines of patchwork.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag lemme summarize this for you. bitcoin eminently keeps shitty logs.
a new guy came in and undertood the monstrous task of trying to fix that.
PeterL: mircea_popescu watched
a video?
Tasoshi: and turn this into
a super centralised kyc aml settlement nonsense
assbot: The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema -
A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1Q70TOa )
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2016 14:26:12; jurov: mod6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform : do I understand right sha512 is hardwired in V? is there
a space for sane upgrade path?
BingoBoingo: Tasoshi: Seriously give the Bitcoin code
a read. Version 0.3.21, 0.5.4, 0.7.2, and 0.8 are all essential reading
thestringpuller: The r/btc will eat it up "If we include this change we may get
a blocksize increase yay!!!!1111"
BingoBoingo: I came in in time to do
a pretty fresh forensics on that lol
assbot: Current Bitcoin XT contains
a network splitting bug. Rather than behaving responsibly, the maintainers of BitcoinXT are smearing the developers of Bitcoin Core (whom had nothing to do with their bug). : bitcoinxt ... (
http://bit.ly/1SxDYQC )
mircea_popescu: anyway, as
a general comment : next time start the whole process by designing this. it's
a great spot to start!
mircea_popescu: and these are prefixed by I W or
A for info warn or alert ?
mircea_popescu: phf set up an
A record, should do the trick, hopefully.
polarbeard: ok, PRC is about the process (there is only
a few msgs about that one), MEM is the mempool (IO and verification), ADR is the address index, BLK is about the block index (IO and verification), NET is about all the p2p traffic, WAL is about the wallet, MIN is about the miner process
phf: mircea_popescu:
a domain name
polarbeard: click on first line number, then second, it makes
a range
phf: jurov: v uses hash as
a lookup key, so in that sense algo agnostic. you can mix and match as long as from and to hashes linkup
mircea_popescu: your original thing had
a lot of - return ; + return (hey we fucked up at %d);
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2016 11:59:31; punkman: re:deleuze&guattari: Once upon
a time I was scrolling through
a big pile 1337 w4r3z, and I saw "
A Thousand Plateaus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia" and I thought "maybe that'll be interesting". I opened it on my crappy ebook tablet, flipped through some pages. The moment I thought "this shit's unreadable isn't it", the tablet died, never to come back.
polarbeard: BingoBoingo: that's
a good idea, I'll try after backporting this one
mircea_popescu: what
a grand time for the state that was! for the first time ever it got its way with everyones' children
mircea_popescu: polarbeard it won't hurt anything writing
a backport patch for it if you feel like it.
jurov: mod6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform : do I understand right sha512 is hardwired in V? is there
a space for sane upgrade path?
☟︎ assbot: The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema -
A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1Q70TOa )