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asciilifeform: without these 'stones', there is no one who is talking.
asciilifeform: granted i can easily see how danielpbarron might have come upon his position, given as he practices a religion based on stuffing words into the mouth of long-dead fella
asciilifeform: and these --- matter.
asciilifeform: phf: forget the number. there are only 3 numbers that matter, -1,0,1.
asciilifeform: with signatures a 'donation of constantine' scenario falls immediately out.
asciilifeform: they are of no use without creator's pubkey, yes.
asciilifeform: here's where apparently i disagree.
asciilifeform: one reason why signatures are a uniquely useful things is that they can outlive creator.
asciilifeform: a gedankenexperiment.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: please paint a picture for us, of the danger
asciilifeform: when i sign phf's patch, i have 'posrated' the patch.
asciilifeform: a signed rating is a correct use of the robot. in fact vtronics consists entirely of this type of thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's original 'gossiptronic' argument -- and i suppose he can elaborate when he wakes up -- was that a signature is a kind of autonomous and indestructible truth-telling robot, that can be of use to the enemy if one is not careful about when you create it and out of what
asciilifeform: and if you are dumb enough not to notice that you are in the cave, and relied on unsigned ratings, he can now also show you wholly-fictitious ones.
asciilifeform: yes, enemy can lock you in a cave and show you old ratings until you die of old age
asciilifeform: trinque: ratings are one of the very few things for which the case for signature is screamingly clear
asciilifeform: the wot is made of what? not of ratings ?
asciilifeform: when mircea_popescu wrote the piece where 'sex -- with people, business -- with keys' - what does danielpbarron suppose he meant ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: and the more unsigned payload one relies upon, the more so you live in the bottle.
asciilifeform: he is already in this bottle
asciilifeform: trinque: that is the weak point, precisely
asciilifeform: danielpbarron's argument, if i understand it, is that folx are doomed to have to ask, e.g., mircea_popescu directly, for mircea_popescu's ratings, because otherwise enemy can win against, e.g., danielpbarron, by locking him inside a bottle where mircea_popescu's ancient and long-revoked rating of magicaltux still stands because signed ??
asciilifeform: because the only reasonably rigid 'nail' to nail it down with is blockhash
asciilifeform: or, more rigorously, 'at time >= t'
asciilifeform: a signature simply states that 'at time t, the following...'
asciilifeform: there is not a cure for this, other than to stay 'in the light cone'
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: guess what, if you had flown to alpha centauri before mtgox died... etc
asciilifeform: ergo -- sign the fucking rating.
asciilifeform: i dun see the 'win' from encouraging people to byzantiate and twofaced lie and give different answer to X and to Y regarding how they rate Z. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: as in, you should be able to verify it solely by possessing the rating + the pubkey of the rater. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ratings are the one clearest case for 'must stand alone' ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561465 << also re spacex ☝︎
asciilifeform: where 'we will do same retarded Empire thing but CHEAPER, EFFICIENT' because 'private'
asciilifeform: they are in the gorbachev 'kooperativ' phase ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'spacex' is every bit as usg as nasa, but is part of the 2000s 'lean usg', if you will, concept; sorta like thiel's palantir is 'lean nsa'
asciilifeform: on dirigible - yet moar. and on mars - more still.
asciilifeform mostly prefers distance, garden, solitude.
asciilifeform: aha, in the 'black schools' there is neverending fight, like in a prison, and even bouncers to pry apart especially eager folk. and everyone with 'room temperature iq' however you measure it, also ☟︎
asciilifeform: i thought that all children played like this... ☟︎
asciilifeform: it beats the shit out of 'gimp' et al in some respects
asciilifeform occasionally STILL runs emulated 'deluxepaint'
asciilifeform: *industrial
asciilifeform: post-industial hellholes like (most of) usa have great air.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is misinformed, we get air here, but now on other hand, water...
asciilifeform: (with possible difference that, last i heard, shanghai flat doesn't always come with breathable air)
asciilifeform: ~= here
asciilifeform: possibly 'california' is doomed to exist somewhere, even if it has legs and occasionally moves..?
asciilifeform: (as per earlier thread)
asciilifeform: so now the high rents are in pekin.
asciilifeform: and so we have it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: california may have sucked , but apparently evil martians put shockley and fairchild there as a joke upon us earthlings , to see 'what if idiot farmer wins lottery'
asciilifeform: gurl had it
asciilifeform: funnily enough asciilifeform never touched one, except for a very sad mid-2000s post-degringolade issue of '2600'
asciilifeform: lel deadtree digerati mags
asciilifeform: (from 'demo scene' to 'spamola scene')
asciilifeform: imho the interesting question is why it always seems to turn from one into the other
asciilifeform: at one point virii artists etc. also worked like this
asciilifeform: it was ported.
asciilifeform: phf: actually i had ~standard~ deluxepaint for msdos
asciilifeform: (which is how you could USE all 64k , you could switch off the rom on the c64)
asciilifeform: nothing was wasted, one of the pins controlled ultra-cheap tape deck i/o, the rest - banked addr space
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 6510 (6502 variant with 6 extra programmable pins)
asciilifeform: deluxepaint!11111
asciilifeform: afaik ~nobody had an amiga in sovblok
asciilifeform: commodore (with the exception of the weirdo dual-cpu variant of the '128', and an expander cartridge for 64 ) -- never sold a z80
asciilifeform: (west europe)
asciilifeform: iirc 'amiga' was still king in '80s europe
asciilifeform: and of mathematical wizardry.
asciilifeform: quite a few marvels of asm
asciilifeform watched the 'demos', but had nfi where they came from and how they were made.
asciilifeform: for some reason i always picture it as one of those basque wood-chopping competitions
asciilifeform to this very day has nfi what precisely is a 'hackathon'
asciilifeform: was in today's log..
asciilifeform: what obvious, wreckerz!11111 listening to voice of ame^H^H^Hrt on illicitly modified radios in kitchens
asciilifeform: though it may be for theatrical effect, considering subj
asciilifeform: ikr?
asciilifeform: ^ dope experts! which dope was responsible ?
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phyqYbmiWUo << in other chtonian horrors
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'suckless' folx , afaik, came the closest
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: iirc this was in the l0gz a few days ago
asciilifeform: it is pretty obvious cut imho.
asciilifeform: i still wonder how come nobody, afaik, ever even once sold rng where the debiaser and analogue halves came apart.
asciilifeform pictures a dildonic analogue end for FUCKGOATS
asciilifeform: to take example, if mircea_popescu generates keys using cuntmusculature noise, using dildonic myographs, this is bulletproof UNTIL enemy finds out and sends specially-trained pulsator gurls to long-game infiltrate harem etc.
asciilifeform: the difficulty comes when you wish to make one that remains cryptologically acceptable when it becomes a mass-produced and published product.
asciilifeform: though i may have explained this before, long ago in the l0gz, it is NOT difficult to make a quite acceptable trng
asciilifeform: thing interferes with itself quite painfully
asciilifeform: a quite separate problem, and anyone who ACTUALLY owns the rtlsdr unit knows of it, is the usb
asciilifeform: nor is it quite known wtf is inside the chip
asciilifeform: that nobody has read, or ever will read,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: problem is that the thing hangs on a megatonne of open Sores shitware that is >trb-sized
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: problem is not that you cannot turn a radio-in-faraday-cage into a baroque version of FUCKGOATS
asciilifeform: world's cheapest 40MHz-2GHz receiver (with terrible snr, but what can you do)
asciilifeform: it was ultra-popular at one time, and remains useful 'poor man's sigint' tool
asciilifeform: i have that radio
asciilifeform: and in yet-other lulz, http://qntra.net/2016/12/no-such-labs-unveils-fuckgoats/#comment-80421
asciilifeform: speaking of 'great walls', http://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/12/01/taking-a-stand-against-unstable-risky-unofficial-ubuntu-images/
asciilifeform: if this is so (and i'll take mircea_popescu's intel for its word) they are on the american train to nowhere, then.
asciilifeform: ditto 'the syrians'