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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373494 << i've actually thought about writing, for lulz, a vtron in... gnumake ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373690 << i dun see the impediment. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:52:05; ben_vulpes: mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:45:44; pete_dushenski: jurov: i can see it. and while i agree there would be trade-offs (less reliability, more difficulty find parts perhaps), i think that the benefits would more than compensate and that product designers would adapt themselves accordingly (eg. making repairs possible without specialised equipment and using more readily available parts)
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:43:17; punkman: also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014808 and yes I'd rather live in 10billion than 10million world
mircea_popescu: otherwise, doctor came to your fucking house. like they still did when i was a child, and ironicallyt - for the exact same reason. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373594 << dude you're on this whole "before i was around people never fucked" angle. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:52:05; ben_vulpes: mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it
BingoBoingo: I've been asking myself that a lot lately
mircea_popescu: NACK. This renders hundreds of millions of dollars worth of equipment useless. It will leave a bad taste in the miners' mouth. I also think this is an unnecessary fix to a problem that won't exist in the long term. ASIC mining hardware will sooner or later hit fundamental physical limits and become commoditized. Decentralization of mining will naturally follow."
mircea_popescu: actually i wouldn't go to war over keccak. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:23:44; guruvan: mod6: yah - I don't know anything about V - but I'll figur ethat out and get this in there
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 21:49:24; mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski pretty neat ice scuptures. i'd like to see an ice sculpture of a guy with a sharpie in pooper.
punkman: http://i.imgur.com/Y2aaSdX.png unicodez
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373344 << haha omg that'd be epic. i bet "sharpie" would even donate a 10' long pen just for the occasion. tell them "it's for art" and you're golden. ☝︎
punkman: well you can put them in a jail cell if you prefer, but I ain't paying for it
pete_dushenski: i'm content with that conclusion. now go get some sleep !
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/2Y8ZQTk.jpg
jurov: if civilised world ends and proves it was only an illusion, then perhaps i reconsider
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373142 << i'm sure alfie will loooove ^^^ ;/ ☝︎
pete_dushenski: i think the issue here might be with the conception that power is binary and that its centres must contain all or none. it isn't. there are gradations. so even if bitcoin is very, very valuable, it won't be sufficient to constitute the entirety of the world. you can't eat bits.
jurov: i'm lost in this, you foresee feudal society, then what people bestow, dunno
pete_dushenski: jurov: i guess i don't see that all the world's power ~has~ to be "in" bitcoin.
pete_dushenski: i honestly have no idea how much autonomy vladivostok has. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: jurov: i can see it. and while i agree there would be trade-offs (less reliability, more difficulty find parts perhaps), i think that the benefits would more than compensate and that product designers would adapt themselves accordingly (eg. making repairs possible without specialised equipment and using more readily available parts) ☟︎
jurov: *shrug* i can understand, the world is overcrowded, it's tempting to dream of putting stupid people "to their place". whether that comes to pass, i doubt. ☟︎
punkman: also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014808 and yes I'd rather live in 10billion than 10million world ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Read, I, Pencil | Library of Economics and Liberty ... ( http://bit.ly/1WiwdP2 )
jurov: "of course you can" - at this point i sent mircea_popescu to grow si monocrystals and use hf
jurov: well, i don't see the "trickle down" as optional
ben_vulpes: even $robofab i worked for one time had their castings done by a casting company.
pete_dushenski: jurov: i don't deny that there might be engineering solutions transferred within there larger firms, but it tends to be a trickle down from the high-performance customers to the low, not the other way around
jurov: i did not say ALL materials
pete_dushenski: jurov: hm still not sure i see it. a lot of the high-end firms are having custom materials made too.
jurov: but i was talking about materials (and machinery)
ben_vulpes: i can hear the damn thing depreciating just driving around town.
pete_dushenski: i'll let you in on a sports car industry secret : they all are
ben_vulpes: i do not buy this "they're all turing complete, so what's the aggro?" line.
mod6: that being said, i have TONS of work to do if anyone wants to do something different thats directly useful.
mod6: i mean, we might never give a 'js' implementation the /blessing/ but if someone wants to work on that for themselves or whatever, cool with me.
mod6: in the package that includes the cucumber tests, you'll find a scenario with tags '@27' and '@pressFlag' called "User executes V with the press flag" -- it then will press out a tree, then do exactly what I saying above ^
mod6: i think i can say that i have automated tests now that even check this.
mod6: you know, one thing that I did to ensure that my pressing of the tree was happening correctly was to press out a tree, then do a full `find . -xtype f -print0 | xargs -0 sha512sum > manifest` to see what the final hash of the source file was, then compare it to what we had before -- what we were patching by hand.
jurov: lol do i see right? luke wants to adopt monero approach?
ben_vulpes: i think i understand what you're driving at
ben_vulpes: yes this i get
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it << mine was ever so slightly varient from alfs ☟︎☟︎
assbot: 21 Inc. and Comcast sitting in a tree, d-e-r-p-i-n-g. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1UXWuAN )
pete_dushenski: thread : http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/15/21-inc-and-comcast-sitting-in-a-tree-d-e-r-p-i-n-g/
ben_vulpes: heh relatedly i coerced my ipnohe into gothmode last night
ben_vulpes: mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it ☟︎☟︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: i have to redo its press algo to recurse up the parents chain
ben_vulpes: last i checked did not produce trees that matched yours
mod6: ben_vulpes's version in CL looks neat, but i can't even figure out how to run it since im a lisptard.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372594 << i never said never. only that there are a lot of married women and far fewer who go for the ball gag. though i grant that "oh they all go for the ball gag" is possible, if an practically untestable hypothesis. ☝︎
guruvan: I always found it needlessly difficult - from the point of view of someone keeping volumes of code running - perl's a haddle
mod6: i never thought perl 5 was bad, just v6.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: can you explain the rubens == mercedes connection ? not sure i quite got that point
mod6: but separately, the current version of v.pl is v99997, and i have a v99996 ready to go, just wanna accomplish a few other tasks first before i send it to the ML.
mod6: guruvan: oh you mean a new version of perl? i see that 5.22 is going to come out.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372541 << /me remembers fondly a local "rubens to picasso" exhibit years and years ago, mostly for the t-shirt that i bought, which raised a few curious eyebrows with the less cultured kids who'd never heard of either painter ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:31:01; mircea_popescu: dude what a badass looking truck. how the fuck could the ammo churning, tailgate partying, truck racing subculture not buy this through the roof is well beyond me. but then again... i'll take the newton defense.
guruvan: I'm not too bad with python but zomg - perl is just....well. I can't believe a new version came out that for sure
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i could see it
pete_dushenski: maybe that's what makes it funny. i dunno.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372300 << i've actually been laughing all day at the thought of BingoBoingo being triggered by exercise equipment :D ☝︎
mod6: i gotta get that new version published. but im thinking that before I do so, i wanna have a few other things done too.
shinohai: I'm sticking with perl V
mod6: feel free to elaborate on this if you wish, punindented. he brought it up to me, i said, "hey, go nuts!"
guruvan: I like it with wot sigs - very interesting
mod6: well, to BingoBoingo's point... Alf provided the first implementation and POC, i just took it a few steps further in mine.
guruvan: I'll get it figured out and get this all in there then
guruvan: I've never heard of this at all
BingoBoingo: guruvan: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000139.html I believe it is in the latest Test 2 bundle
shinohai: I finally got V to work for me just hours ago.
guruvan: BingoBoingo: can you point me to a patch - I'll make the change
guruvan: you bet - I'll put out some more once I have the V figured out - that's just some thing that works - uses older big phusion ubuntu image underneath
guruvan: I'm not a big git fan
guruvan: mod6: yah - I don't know anything about V - but I'll figur ethat out and get this in there ☟︎
mod6: so eventually we could even have this with like V too right? or just let trinque's makefiles do the heavy lifting with V there i guess too.
guruvan: I'll have some smaller gentoo based ones out ( ~100MB or so) this week
mod6: jurov: ya, saw that. the system is confused about which compiler to use i think.
mod6: i wanna send a bunch of more txs to the foundations addy and debug while im doing that.
guruvan: mod6: not sure what you're testing - I just put together a docker image with the v0.5.3 code on thebitcoin.foundation site
mod6: the main issue is here, that i mainly just use this instance for build tests & full-sync tests. but the debugging i wanna do now, requires a fully syncd chain.
mod6: i think it's ok. i'll probably just shut down this instance, detach the volume, fire up my old deb instance and debug on that.
mod6: guruvan: yeah, i guess that buildroot must hvae used 4.8.4 to build the 4.9.x with musl that buildroot uses.
guruvan: oic - I didn't notice the musl libc - I've not built one of those yet - but - did you write a whole profile for it?
mod6: or.. related to that. i /know/ the compiler itself works, because i just recompiled bitcoind lastnight on here. but i dunno, seems like buildroot somehow hijacked the systems gcc and how is rendered defunct?
mod6: guruvan: hey thanks, yeah i think after looking at the config.log output it's because of this:
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 18:20:12; mircea_popescu: http://www.secureworks.com/cyber-threat-intelligence/threats/bgp-hijacking-for-cryptocurrency-profit/ << somewhat old but i dun recall it being in the log.
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/9aUNNcz.png
punkman: ben_vulpes: aaand that was actually indonesia, so i'm probably thinking about the wrong thing. << it was actually floods in Thailand.
mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski pretty neat ice scuptures. i'd like to see an ice sculpture of a guy with a sharpie in pooper. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: i'd really rather the books show the expected expenses, jurov.
jurov: i'm not taking anything for last year, consider it as my tax payment
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> jurov did the foundation ever spend anything, i forget. <+ben_vulpes> foundation spend << not to date << technically we have made one expenditure, paying jurov his yearly fee.
mircea_popescu: be that as it may, i'm going to take the girls out to eat, and so we can continue later !
jurov: and i'm no mircea_popescu to get execution on my projects for $0.1/hr :(
ascii_shmoocon: i'm sold in year spans, preferably multiple.