asciilifeform: (can you picture using a box with no 'esc' key for text entry?!)

asciilifeform: they are no moar.

asciilifeform: RIP, sorta-working-high-res-unix-lapppy.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1578956 << recall, they stopped making these recently. i literally bought ghe LAST one (2, actually, 1 for a relative) ☝︎

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'd recommend instead to use standard text formatting scheme (slime's, say) for all lispolade.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1578953 << theoretically v works exactly same with any diffing algo. but if you keep more than one type around, you gotta distinguish'em somehow, e.g., call your sexpr vtron's patches 'foo.lpatch' or similar ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pgpgram re who/where

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll do it

asciilifeform: cube farms to order!1111

asciilifeform: 'Производитель перегородок «Орман» является ярким участником отечественного рынка современных конструкций, позволяющих отлично дополнить интерьеры офисных, частных и общественных помещений.'

asciilifeform: http://79.174.78.171 << lul

asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/uByC0cK.jpg << in other...wtf

asciilifeform: and everybody knows there is no such beast as genderless cat !!

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is this one of yours ?

asciilifeform: is this another eulora dirt-digger or what were those called

asciilifeform: it isn't even entirely clear that 'is this a tumour cell?' is a computable function.

asciilifeform: rather, the 'guidance system' is.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the poison part was never the difficulty -- e.g., ricin, is even more specific 'cellular' poison

asciilifeform: grafted?! even 'better'

asciilifeform: (typically it does ~0 in people)

asciilifeform: it is largely why virtually no 'rat hero' substance ever leaves the rat lab.

asciilifeform: which accounts for heroic 'cures', their cancers would last 3 seconds in a healthy organism

asciilifeform: (inbred to the point of tumouring 'when you look at them sideways')

asciilifeform: only semi-relatedly, rat models have a very obvious (to outsider) problem, that academitards pretend is not problem at all

asciilifeform: eh pretty much every half-useful attempt at cancer has been 'bind $poison to $selector'

asciilifeform: good student project!111!!!

asciilifeform: is there even 10k known species of fungus ?

asciilifeform: what, in the eyes of mircea_popescu , would count as 'serious result' in subj field ??

asciilifeform: correct.

asciilifeform: now this --- yes.

asciilifeform: and industrially lucrative

asciilifeform: fungi also. radiosterilization is a thing

asciilifeform: (housecat that grows to german shepherd size, other side-show attractions)

asciilifeform: afaik very little came of it, other than substance that induces certain side effect - gigantism in mammals

asciilifeform: su was obsessed with 'radioprotector'

asciilifeform: neutrons, electrons, gamma, you name it

asciilifeform: but 20th c. megaempires obsessively irradiated various living things, to see what comes of it.

asciilifeform: but i suppose it'd depend on what means 'serious work'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually!

asciilifeform: planet3, iirc, gets a particle with energy of well-thrown brick every day or so.

asciilifeform: (if you're something like a, e.g., deinococcus radiodurans , assume it takes >1 bullet. some finite number.)

asciilifeform: folx putter around with crackpotteries like proton decay, but imho this is a more interesting number

asciilifeform: (you being spore)

asciilifeform: a kind of mean-time-to-collision-with-energetic-particle-that-smashes-you

asciilifeform: btw it might be possible to approximate ~how much time~

asciilifeform: everybody is fond of 'space spores' but so far 0 clues re a 2nd place where they might work.

asciilifeform: they can't breathe red dwarf any moar than trilobyte can.

asciilifeform: on long enough scale, everybody's trilobyte.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: examples like your ant abound. consider the infamous sphex wasp

asciilifeform: these are the most successful, if you permit division by 0...

asciilifeform: trinque: there are nonexistent anthills everywhere around you!1111 even in your nostril

asciilifeform: anthill, if said to optimize for something (and this is at least mildly sinful, somewhat like describing the operation of a submarine as 'swimming') optimizes for energy/food ROI.

asciilifeform: (e.g., wings)

asciilifeform: takes inputs from the beast's sensory organs and gives outputs for its locomotive organs.

asciilifeform: then i say 'function'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what are your expectations of 'data type' ?

asciilifeform: own heat.

asciilifeform: *heat

asciilifeform: lethal to all bees but a species somewhere in jp, that knows the pill against the wasp (surround it, and kill with own head)

asciilifeform: anyone recall those wasps ? the ones that can eat a beehive in 15 min. or so

asciilifeform: i couldn't begin to hazard a guess. but - who knows - perhaps ~had~, but somehow not ant-compatible.

asciilifeform: the one thing it most definitely is, is very very slow.

asciilifeform: so perhaps not

asciilifeform: quite possibly that ant -- or that seed -- came with the spanish ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: term referred to an algo where you have 10,000,001 simulated ants, or bees, etc., navigating your phase space and leaving 'pheromonal trails' for one another

asciilifeform always pictured, when hearing phrase 'ant colony optimization', lowering the speaker into an anthill and asking him to please optimize! before he is eaten

asciilifeform: phf: i had earlier edition of iirc that thing (the one with the ants on the cover) at umd

asciilifeform: they might have answered: 'bugle'

asciilifeform: shovel - 2nd.

asciilifeform: 'his radio'

asciilifeform: 'what is soldier's deadliest weapon'

asciilifeform pictures archimedes's lost rsa

asciilifeform: there is not so much that was made that is worth remembering... the FET? RSA..?

asciilifeform: the 1 piece you can 'take to the bank' is that it is idiocy to consider solutions to a problem that is not even actually defined.

asciilifeform: observation was not 'it is impossible', 'liek heavier-than-air flight!11111' but that none of the approaches ever tried afaik have led to anything of interest.

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: we already know 1 method for producing it. just not yet - afaik - a 2nd.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite correct

asciilifeform: ( likewise the workings of, e.g., a FET, are quite different from what digital engineer learns in school, and ~nobody designs ~anything using the actual equations as understood by maxwell et al )

asciilifeform: (see also von karman.)

asciilifeform: that's not the issue; airplane worked just fine but was not adequately explained in physical terms until '50s (and if you are a stickler for rigour, even today)

asciilifeform: hell, we don't even have a working ornithopter, and the problem is, what, 800+ yrs old as posed.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody has any fucking idea how to replicate the fault-tolerance of meat, afaik.

asciilifeform: asciilifeform is the 2nd type

asciilifeform: there are 2 types of ai skeptic, the 'vitalists' ('immortal soul') and the 'shambling horror of computer', 'we don't even know how to make a spreadshit that dun crash' folk.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which yosefk piece was this btw..?

asciilifeform: ^ thread.

asciilifeform: !#s http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/07/wolfram-alpha-and-hubristic-user.html

asciilifeform: 'The error is that control interfaces must not be intelligent. Briefly, intelligent user interfaces should be limited to applications in which the user does not expect to control the behavior of the product. If the product is used as a tool, its interface should be as unintelligent as possible. Stupid is predictable; predictable is learnable; learnable is usable.'

asciilifeform: the way i read it, he was talking about something like http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/07/wolfram-alpha-and-hubristic-user.html .

asciilifeform: (plenty of 'intelligent' tho)

asciilifeform: you can't buy intelligent at the comp shop.

asciilifeform: he did say 'intelligent', rather than intelligent !1111

asciilifeform: ( i suspect that this is one of those perpetuum mobile attractors that will continue to eat people more or less forever, this 'bbet reddit' thing )

asciilifeform: seems like he runs something that looks like an attempt at distributed-chickens bbet

asciilifeform: in so far as heathens go, this one is worth writing to imho

asciilifeform: buncha stimulating items in mircea_popescu's link btw. e.g., http://www.truthcoin.info/blog/pow-cheapest

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aaaah they plead, didn't they.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: interestingly, in so far as that type of joint goes, pedopizza is imho pretty good. i guess small chillunz make good pizza topping

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ah i assumed that the students were expelled, jailed