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asciilifeform: nocredit: the reason your log consists 80+% of 'discarded block' is that trb deliberately does NOT hold on to a received block unless it matches the litmus for possibly being the immediately next block in the chain. this is deliberate, and i personally wrote this patch.

nocredit: second, my vps provider (vultr) is complaining with me that i put too much wear and tear to their ssd

nocredit: first of all i'd like to ask what is a sane time for sync from zero to 100% ☟︎

trinque: having serious problems with the DC I'm using for deedbot, sorry folks. I'm going to try to get the migration to pizarro completed this weekend.

diana_coman: you can feed it manually blocks if you have them & are in a hurry but otherwise I don't yet fully grasp your problem as such: is it stalled or is it just that you don't expect it to take longer than 1 week or what?

nocredit: for instance, with bitcoin core in half a day I have a synced node

nocredit: hi, thanks for the voice. Basically trb (with aggressive patch) simply is too slow to sync, and i'm using a VULTR vps with 6 cores and 16GB of ram. For too slow i mean that after 1 week is just at block height 300k

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-28#1915708 - even on re-re-read I can't follow this: where does it seem as if I'm saying in the least that server should solve this at all for client? (no, it can't, of course); my approach is to solve this in a single point in client aka Requester rather than have it spread throughout client at every point where some part finds out it wants some data. ☝︎

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-28#1915729 - fully asynch is the core of it but I don't see the case of x magic number of times; logically speaking x is simply ask until you are answered, there is no set or fixed x times ☝︎

diana_coman: might add also, since it's perhaps not obvious: there is no exact "repeat request" as such because anyway, how could that be (counter of messages at the very least is different!) but more importantly, every time Requester asks the server for something, it simply asks about as many pending things as it can, there is no "oh, I asked about those and not yet here so let's ask exactly those again"

diana_coman: for that matter I suppose it can even just have one queue, they are all "pending" and simply prune it every time it wakes up;

diana_coman: and I say "fresh" because it's not even necessarily a case that it doesn't have it but maybe (e.g. for position) it considers it obsolete hence deletes it and wants it new

diana_coman: so up to here I think it's clear that yes, client can therefore play happily forever after totally offline

diana_coman: let me expand a bit on the concrete solution I'm talking about:

diana_coman: one thing that I see there is that you seem to consider that this "request" is ONLY for art stuff; the way I see it, it's not just for that but a generic mechanism for any sort of thing requested, be it art or contents or position or whatever

diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I suspect it's again one of those things where there is no disagreement at the core but we are not yet fully in sync re various bits and pieces; ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-05-27 22:58 diana_coman: basically I don't actually think that "needed 100 times" SHOULD translate into "send 100 requests to the server" ; something is either needed or not; it might be more needed than something else, sure but that's a relative (and changing) ordering of requests at most, not a traffic-generator essentially.

mp_en_viaje: a case for "retry X magic number of times at Y magic intervals which i the designer knew ahead of time, for everyone and for all time".

mp_en_viaje: and more generally i believe a lot of software systems would greatly improved through liberal application of just this kind of carelessness. the idiots are careless at the wrong ends -- by all means, DO http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-13#1912968 ; do NOT "hi this is the glass from last night, how would you rate your drinking experience please fill out this form". ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-05-27 22:41 diana_coman: anyway, if it shouldn't even retry the correct way to put it is that it doesn't *care* at all about the result; i.e. it sends the request, it goes to sleep for timeout interval and then when it wakes up it simply makes and sends the next request, without any care in the world re anything

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-27#1915698 << i would say so. ☝︎

mp_en_viaje: (obviously "forevermore" means -- for as long as he's wearing that type of armor, and include all other dudes wearing the same type, yes, i'm not looking for dwim here.)

mp_en_viaje: (the programmatic logic being that as i focus on the game again, the screen will have to be redrawn, which will suck from the cache ; obviously this may not work ~exactly~ like this for a number of reasons -- which is why it's called an ideal. it should work like this.)

mp_en_viaje: whether i can be arsed or not to do this is one thing ; but if i am arsed i should encounter no further difficulty.

mp_en_viaje: in the vhs-unix-that-never-existed ideal in my own mind, i should be able to, upon encountering for the first time a dude i don't like, alt-tab out of the game, edit the cached file representing this dude's armor, write "dickhead" in spray paint all over the breastplate, and without any further interaction on my part see the dickhead appropriately labeled all over the game forevermore.

a111: Logged on 2019-05-27 22:32 diana_coman: you mean if it timeouts on a request then it lets it just lets it be? it makes it even simpler from my pov, not as if it's an issue but essentially I'm not sure how do you then avoid the case where you play happily offline and ...not notice it?

diana_coman: basically I don't actually think that "needed 100 times" SHOULD translate into "send 100 requests to the server" ; something is either needed or not; it might be more needed than something else, sure but that's a relative (and changing) ordering of requests at most, not a traffic-generator essentially. ☟︎

diana_coman: anyway, if it shouldn't even retry the correct way to put it is that it doesn't *care* at all about the result; i.e. it sends the request, it goes to sleep for timeout interval and then when it wakes up it simply makes and sends the next request, without any care in the world re anything ☟︎

diana_coman: at which point recovery is a bitch way worse than restart; I suppose the point might be "don't die, just make it clear there's nobody answering "

diana_coman: you mean if it timeouts on a request then it lets it just lets it be? it makes it even simpler from my pov, not as if it's an issue but essentially I'm not sure how do you then avoid the case where you play happily offline and ...not notice it? ☟︎

diana_coman: myeah, this "asks again" is not "asks the server" but "ask the requester" ; i.e. "client" does not directly talk to the server from anywhere because that is how mess is made

mp_en_viaje: then at t8 client notices AGAIN "hm, i'm using default for this armor of the stars, wtf is it ?" and asks the server again.

mp_en_viaje: well, cuz client may well discover "shit, i never heard of this armor before, wtf is it"

diana_coman: something still seems rather mixed in there; let me see if I can untangle it

mp_en_viaje: in the capitalistic perspective : if 100 objects are mentioned 10`000 times and requested 10`000 times, then i'd like the one object mentioned 1`000 times be requested 1`000 times and the object mentioned once be requested once.

diana_coman: it is not as such a "retry" i.e. the request will not be a new one

mp_en_viaje: i'm not even sure it's worth producing the retry mechanism.

diana_coman: i.e. drop it simply

diana_coman: uhm; on one hand the "does it die or not" is a tiny thing i.e. it is a decision of what-do if not received;

mp_en_viaje: i do not believe it should die at all.

diana_coman: I suspect I'll need to detail the data model too for it all to make sense

mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, speaking of http://ossasepia.com/2019/05/27/euloras-client-core-the-dedicated-requester/#selection-41.2-41.111 i don't see the wisdom in this position. suppose your client sees a new type of whatever, and manages to get everything but the icon. a) your path would require it to die trying but b) evidently going ahead while using a ~default~ icon until gets a better one is perfectly acceptable.

diana_coman: I quite suspect it is the autosave thing because this much I remember that it was after it auto-saved, hence my suspicion at it; but at least atm it the autosave did not fire and tbh I'm not extremely keen on chasing this right now.

mp_en_viaje: ]there;s also a js autosave if you have js enabled in browser ; these may have interracted weirdly i guess.

diana_coman: that makes perfect sense and is pretty much what I'd have expected; hence the surprise earlier when it apparently refused the title and insisted it was ""; anyway, if I run into it/something else again I'll document it better on the spot I guess.

diana_coman: ugh, now ofc can't quite reproduce it i.e. it was something more subtle than what it seemed...

mp_en_viaje: what you describe specifically was debugged ; i suppose entirely possible php/whatever stack versioning shenanigans may have managed to regression it, like that insane case we ran into recently with the comments not working

diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: it keeps failing i.e. saying can't

diana_coman: o.O ; I wouldn't have expected lousy net connection in Cluj, huh.

mp_en_viaje: speaking of which, if anyone is in the area and wants to meet, speak up, i'll be around for a few days

diana_coman: in other stepping-in-all-the-holes : it seems I found a fail-mode of mp-wp browser interface namely if one pastes the content of a post first and only then (possibly after it rushes to quick save it or whatevers) the title, it fails miserably as it apparently tries to save it with title "" (notwithstanding that no, it should not, there is actually a title to it) ☟︎

BingoBoingo: ty mircea_popescu, it appears I have also attracted LOCAL feedback in the moderation sala de espera: http://bingology.net/2019/05/26/overview-of-local-electoral-politics-heading-into-the-impending-party-internals/#comment-858

mircea_popescu: oddly, i did not get.

diana_coman: BingoBoingo: I got that same spam! tbf all spam is rather similar, sort of trying to work out which specific belief to latch on: is it how great one's blog is or is it how dangerous being online is.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, reading your dispatches is a pleasure, they're quite well made. i suspect the answer to the http://bingology.net/2018/09/12/uruguayo-political-snapshot-for-future-reference/#selection-63.1-63.109 riddle as well as the direct cause of a 15k seater costing >100mn is their "great neigjhbour to the distant north".

mircea_popescu: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/0c/2b/00/0c2b0067afb771a474d8cfdae4289d7f.jpg in visual aids.

mircea_popescu: i suspect this is deeply related to how quickly they go nuts. mj made a little money in the early 80s, was well detached from reality by '86 ? well duh.

mircea_popescu: and i furthermore suspect this went UNDER ONE with the "smart"phone

mircea_popescu: i would dare say that the ~average~ trial rate for ESL males was UNDER TWO at any point in the past century (trial rate is where the woman is naked on her knees begging and you're making her call whether to keep her or get rid of her).

BingoBoingo: From what I understand according to the traditions of his tribe, he was chemically castrated to treat his acne

mircea_popescu: the more i think about it the more it becomes obvious that a) there's no class in the us, as everyone MEETS THE ~SAME NUMBER OF WOMEN ; b) that number was ALWAYS extremely tiny, a few dozen and obviously c) it's dropped significantly past coupla decades and might continue dropping.

mircea_popescu: 1910 fruitgum company ? the lemon pipers, the ohio express , "sugar, sugar", "dizzy"... need i go on ?

mircea_popescu: buncha fucken wankers, "if i check these checkboxes..." what then ? "mp can't accuse me of being a wanker" ? gimme a fucking break.

BingoBoingo: Most of the tourists I met at the hostel whose mothers spoke English seem to have gone there, and Uruguay was just another checkmark somewhere before or after Iguazu depending on the whims of airline ticket prices

BingoBoingo: I have met way too many people who have been to Machu Pichu since December 2017

mircea_popescu: shoulda won the oscars in 1952, what the fuck is this lame-ass post-party shit, "for my kids' 5th birthday we hired michael's 3d reconstructed ghost to touch them on the dolly" / "we went to woodstock 2019 re-enaction" / "i sniffed the seat on which a hot woman sat six hours ago" etc.

mircea_popescu: somehow the zombie horde of muricans picked one of the three as their witlessing point. it's fucking unseemly ; the only thing "i climbed mount everest" does in a social context is communicate you gotta be fucking punched. like "being a nobel laureate" or "having won the oscars" or whatever other such zombie glory.

BingoBoingo: I've met a few. They tend to be very sad or angry, but mostly sad.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "peoples of sexuality" ? wtf is this, like "womens of fat" ? << I assume so. "Womens of fat" need their corn sugar.

asciilifeform: 'In 1979, DEC UK, under its American manager, Mr. Darryl Barbé launched a formal campaign known as the "Kill Systime" campaign. He had the full support of the American management. The DEC president, Mr. Ken Olsen, was subsequently overheard leaving a board-level meeting with another company, declaring that he wished to see Systime out of business. Mr. Pier-Carlo Falotti, European vice-president of DEC, said to DEC staff: I want you

BingoBoingo: I though half dead was the sovereign

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: near as i can tell, brit pm is like gensec of sovok after brezhnev -- they'll take whichever next half-dead dementia patient and 'here's yer caftan'

mircea_popescu: same reason they went to london. and i expect same russkis. $$$.

mircea_popescu: from muscovy perspective i'm sure it's "other exactly symmetrical england"

asciilifeform: i dunthink they're in '5star' hotels, either

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-24#1915428 << last i knew, place was riotously packed with ru tourists. ( to the point that errytime they have a car bomb etc go off, ru foreign ministry makes Official broadcast '...and x ru tourists ate frags' ☝︎

mircea_popescu: anyway, the reflection's particularly amusing : 12 yo girl goes "hmm... i have this thing between my legs... wtf is it ?! seems pretty fucking weird... actually, this shit's scary holy shit" ; 16 yo boy goes "omfg, girls are so fucking great and bestest...hmm... and EVEN THEM in their divine perfection are still affraid of cunt ?! THAT THING IS MONSTROUS!!!!".

mircea_popescu: though i grant, "there's no anal" is an exceptionally crafty summary of the problem.

mircea_popescu: "fascinatingly threatening, so incomprehensible i can't even judge if the opinion i formed on it is meaningful"

mircea_popescu: i have mah doubts.

mircea_popescu: upon research i am VERY happy with state of comp hw market here.

mircea_popescu: it came with the thing, i just bought the fx black edition

asciilifeform: yea dunno why no one does ( i dun buy the lamps, wtf, i have cork-lined steel chassis , where is the lamp to light )

BingoBoingo: Plenty of things I used to find "cool" or "interesting" that I can't tolerate anymore

asciilifeform: today i can't stomach, even the older ones, barfalicious shilling for 'd-wave' co. etc.

asciilifeform: lulzily, for some yrs i occasionally read his www, and all that time thought it was named for some obscure algo ( y'know, how there is 'ant-colony optimization', variant on simulated annealing with multiple threads and 'pheromone trails' , imagined there is perhaps also a 'shtetl optimization'... )

asciilifeform: 'i was all fuckedup on drugs; but then i found jizzus; nao i'm all fucked up on jizzus; but that's ok, i'm taking drugs for it'(tm)(r)(al schwartz)

asciilifeform: 'ouroboros man', i.e. who disappeared up own arse, has no 'left' or 'right'

asciilifeform: 'look how rolexy i am, i paid whole comp's price for disposable pocket shit' etc

asciilifeform: near as i can tell, all of the '4fig pnojes' are variations on this theme

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-23#1915314 << for all i know, long ago already bought. reminds me of a fella i knew who compulsively bought old cars ( and garages, all over town, to put'em in, in which for them to rust... ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: hrm i seem to even recall that 'retro' costume is nao in fashion there

mp_en_viaje: i get it, they don't do (enough) of what you want them to. but they do what they want to, for some reason they decided to go in through the phone hole. and they're in, orcs buy huawei, and declare it better than reich.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik all reich designs. near as i can tell, china succumbed to the old sovok disease, where 'let's make reich-compat. chips so that we can use warez'

BingoBoingo: I mean its not like China has their MIPS alternative anywhere visible

asciilifeform: i expect time for china to say 'b'..

asciilifeform: i guess could. nao time for lenin's ' who said 'a', must also say 'b' ', or how it went.

asciilifeform: near as i can tell, arm inc. is exactly microshit, i.e. somehow charging megabux for 'license' to use their megatonne of bugridden cisc ??? pileashit

a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 22:27 BingoBoingo: I don't see why they'd do anything other than rebrand and stop paying licenses

mp_en_viaje: i don't wear glasses. i still got most of my 60/20 vision from youth!