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mod6: so this is what i'm gonna do
ben_vulpes: i set you on the btcd snipe hunt aeons ago iirc
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1380586 << this is my fault and i am terribly sorry ☝︎
mircea_popescu: then i fail to understand what objection you have.
asciilifeform: specifically that i saw leaving the formatting alone as a forced thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you did not understand what i meant when said 'contagious'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one day your "idiocy is contagious and fixing it a collosal waste of time and i've changed my mind and wah wah" thing'll land you in the soup.
asciilifeform: i'll sign.
asciilifeform: i can only take off my hat...
asciilifeform: hey if the man wants to program in 'nano' who am i to say.
mircea_popescu: i dun have the energy to chase this. whatevs.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1380503 << aye, to the extent that i 'learned cpp', and to the extent that i can even be said to 'know' any other programming language. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 13:39:59; asciilifeform: i'd happily see the whole shebang reformatted, but this would destroy v-ability
mircea_popescu: heh. so i try to use inept merchant. inept merchant doesn't take bitcoin, but takes a variety of bullshit "payment processors", one of which "payza". i go whatever, they pop up a 0.04blabla btc, which i pay. turns out THEY WON'T PROCESS the payment they advertised until you "verify", ie click on some link in email. so i do. turns out they still won't process the payment they advertised, untill you... fill a form. so i
mod6: but I didn't apply that one, just the second.
mod6: i did a `wget http://dpaste.com/2CH23F5.txt -O mp.first.diff` and the tabs in the + side seem to be preserved.
mircea_popescu: <mod6> after i apply his patch, there are no tabs, only spaces. << i made a tab'd one, then asciilifeform wanted a different one so i made that too. which are you looking at ?
jurov: meh, i'm like... let them have their whitespace/style holy wars, they'll learn someday
mod6: <+mod6> huh, dunno, guess i could try that. << failed to patch
asciilifeform: i don't need 200kB diffs.
asciilifeform: ftr i think the whitespace thing is lunacy
mod6: huh, dunno, guess i could try that.
mod6: and when I replace :293,331 s/ /\t/ it basically ends up looking like this:
mod6: after i apply his patch, there are no tabs, only spaces.
mod6: basically, im trying to get my +/- to look like mr. p.'s. but i can't seem to achieve that.
mod6: i gotta figure out how to get this patch exactly correct. can't seem to do it.
mod6: <+jurov> the example i gave is pretty much complete. and you ought to experiment with it << would this work? : printf("ERROR, ECDSA_sign failed at #__LINE__ in #__FILE__\n");
mod6: maybe i need to go line by line and do it all by hand.
jurov: maybe __FILE__ gives full path, i don't remember, then it's not very desirable
jurov: the example i gave is pretty much complete. and you ought to experiment with it
mod6: <+jurov> mod6 and why not "failed at" #__LINE__ "in" #__FILE__ << sounds good to me, can you give me a full example so I don't screw this up, ive never used tat before.
mod6: so then if I go line by line adding tabs instead of the spaces, i get a bit of a different vdiff output as such:
mod6: it pretty much applies the same, and if then I do a vdiff of a/bitcoin/src/key.h to b/bitcoin/src/key.h (where Mr. P.'s patch was applied in b/.../) then the diff looks the same.
mod6: so when i use Mr. P.'s pat: http://dpaste.com/26VKRQG.txt
mod6: ok i see what my hangup is.
mircea_popescu: i was listening to see what's that all about.
mod6: ok cool. I think an error like that narrows it down pretty good.
mircea_popescu: it's too soon for that, i guess.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: Isn't the whole purpose of an FPGA that I can program it in place?
gabriel_laddel: can I unmount it afterwards without breaking it?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: so how do I run a program on one of these things without a socket connection?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I do not.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: to vendor: "if this is the real deal it should be able to run this program [include ascii file here], if it fries, I'm not buying it."
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 13:39:59; asciilifeform: i'd happily see the whole shebang reformatted, but this would destroy v-ability
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the thing i wanted to do would've required several, and i lacked the dough at the time.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: believe or not, i once wrote to the various folks claiming to have the 6216
trinque: adlai: deed should crap when it catches up; if it doesn't I'll be back later to kick it some more
trinque: adlai: its behind was behind when I checked a few minutes ago
asciilifeform: ^ perhaps only funny to phf and i.
mircea_popescu: if i were in that business.
mircea_popescu: " Bitcoin is described by enthusiasts as potentially being bigger than the Internet itself (a claim I can’t seem to understand, considering that Bitcoin is an Internet-powered technology),"
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 22:12:24; asciilifeform: IF I CAN'T READ IT IN AN EVENING it is a turd
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i found the prb ecdsa thing quite distasteful
mircea_popescu: mod6 i don't think we can not read the wtf is that thing called
mircea_popescu: i realise.
asciilifeform: is the only reason i didn't do it.
mircea_popescu: yet from what i know 99% actually do just that.
mod6: i conducted a second live-fire test today with the changes submitted by mircea_popescu & asciilifeform, here are the results: http://dpaste.com/29928TB.txt
pete_dushenski: possibly or not possibly, it's the only thing i changed between yesterday and today. and the lag is gone.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i read the patches, though admittedly little code. i'm probably not even competent enough to need gas mask though, so no worries. amor fati.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i must agree with BingoBoingo: sadly, reading the actual code is not optional
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i can definitely say that the trb history is adding to ~my~ confusion, but i don't see that as something to be avoided. my hope is that i'll eventually make enough sense of this to relay it concisely to others. still much work to do, no doubt.
mircea_popescu: the way this works is that i can say "take this and pay bob and keep a cent" and then later come and say "take this and pay alice instead and keep two cents", making the later guaranteed to overtake the former.
asciilifeform: i.e. one could displace an unconfirmed tx of fee f by broadcasting doublespend where fee > f, at least with a certain nonzero probability
pete_dushenski: mod6: i actually found the monthly really very helpful, and i'm sure that i'll continue to find them of value. they're essential resources for shallowing out the steep learning curve :)
mircea_popescu: i understand that they have no option, being unable to do anything and ambitious enough to want to be seen doing things. nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: "I still haven't found anyone that is asking for RBF." << pretty muchg the definitive word on that derpage.
mod6: pete_dushenski: if I may be so bold, Sir: Some helpful info you may find in the monthly statements from the foundation.
pete_dushenski: i must need a drink
pete_dushenski: i did read come, while some of it made sense, much was chinese. but having gone through the process undoubtedly gave me the tools needed to launch my own public node. so there's that.
pete_dushenski: or maybe ben will be choked that i only mentioned him on the shitty part of the history thus far, who knows
pete_dushenski: i literally spent the last 3 hours in channel, typing away, wondering why assbot wasn't picking up my links, totally unawares that i hadn't voiced myself. that's some kind of new low.
mircea_popescu: well... i would say 50^ of these two months are roughly due to the last year or so. so basically we'll be seeing +1 month / year indefinitely, as blocks can't get any fuller.
mircea_popescu: so i'm guessing... another 2-3 weeks for full sync, making a trb full sync take just about two months on a reasonable box.
asciilifeform: sadly i can find no other word.
asciilifeform: (no discussion of how and why we ended up with static build, omitting the whole pogo thing, astonishingly foggy description of what orphans/bastards were and WHY they had to go, i could go on, and on)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380409 << dun wanna make pete_dushenski cry, but this is a ~terrible~ summary, if i were whacked over the head and forgot about my patches, and had to re-learn them from that article, i'd have nfi what they were and why. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: From the mines, Micheal Jordan edition: "MJ used to tell Johnny that “Tiger Woods is an idiot. I tried to help him, but the kid’s gonna get caught.” (we all know how that turned out). In order for a girl to get to MJ, she needed to go through 4 undercover former narcotics detectives just to speak to Michael. She had to be approved by all 4 to make sure she wasn’t gonna say a damn word about MJ to anyone. So there’s MJ, n
BingoBoingo: It's useful to know which shitcoin it was this round and the record a running tab of what i++ next shitcoins are
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> She is trying to sell some huge bag of some shitcoin, after I told her politely 3 times I'm not interested in being liberated of my paltry BTC earning funding scams. << Which shitcoin?
shinohai: I'll have her send you an email.
shinohai: She is trying to sell some huge bag of some shitcoin, after I told her politely 3 times I'm not interested in being liberated of my paltry BTC earning funding scams.
mircea_popescu: yeh but i don't think that group of nuts would like you, or you them. meanwhile the usgod crowd... prolly. maybe. who knows.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380275 << i could try feigning stupidity and becoming sturmbannführer of something, but i don't think it works like that - you can't turn into a hapsburg emperor by elongating your nose, last i heard ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i think we might be a few iterations away from it yet tho
mod6: i can see about adding it.
mod6: eh. kinda sorta, i gotta re-read that part when i get a chance. but i think that you think it's useful :]
mircea_popescu: honestly, i have no complaint with the absence.
asciilifeform: mod6: but now you perhaps see why i did ?
mircea_popescu: there's a very ample history of idiots thinking they may bypass this, starting with bitcoinica. i welcome more victims, gladly.
mircea_popescu: i will, for the record, NEVER entertain anyone you propose for anything.
mircea_popescu: aaaand to make the matter quite plain, i've had it just about up to here witgh idiot jews who think they're exceptional. they aren't, the accomodation is 0, they;d better be fucking humble as if they're begging to avoid gang ass rape.
adlai: ok. i know somebody respectable, competent, and so on, and he isn't willing to give money to people he hasn't met in person.
mircea_popescu: if someone that's respectable, competent and so on wants to do it i might entertain it.
mircea_popescu: how would i know ?
mircea_popescu: "i want every one thing to be in a single place" is a deep driver of meta-programming.
danielpbarron: back when i wrote my own html generator I had it spit everything out as one line
danielpbarron: I also prefer the '{' on a newline vs on same line as function name. But I haven't done nearly as much coding as those of you who hate these conventions so what do I know
danielpbarron: so am I the only one that hates 'tab' and prefers spaces when coding?
mircea_popescu: "Yves here. Get a cup of coffee. This is a deep dive into how Bitcoin works from a payment systems perspective, and why the failure of promoters and journalists to look at it in those terms has led them to greatly overestimate its significance." << "come hear my very novel take on why bitcoin is not disruptive because it doesn't do the buzzword i think i understand and for this reason matters more than everything else!"