asciilifeform: fuckgoats is made of motherfucking search!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the problem is that THEY get it from search !
asciilifeform: phf: this is correct, but i will point out that schematic is easier problem than pcb -- schematic traces take up 0 space, and the crossing penalty is merely aesthetic rather than physical
asciilifeform: i will admit to having serious doubts that building 'like google in 2001, and stays that way!111' is technologically possible -- it is an inherently centralized animal and will grow usg barnacles regardless of who builds it or where it is kept
asciilifeform: it still won't make sane search engine materialize out of the aether.
asciilifeform: phf: unsurprisingly. and the eventual model is chinese google
asciilifeform: let's approach the problem bottom-up, as gedankenexperiment. it is np-complete problem to draw a polished, readable schematic from netlist only. what, therefore, is the minimal 'helping hand' that would let the machine draw schematic from netlist in polynomial time. that is the necessary format, and nothing else.
asciilifeform: and iirc clim has something of the kind (though i am the very last who would know the detail)
asciilifeform: i linked to henderson's paper here long ago
asciilifeform: which is why usg fought the afghan war
asciilifeform: well yes, that treatment is reserved for ru
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the reason why crackdowns on 'prescription dope' is that it is not feeding hard currency to lizards, but fiatola to variably-connected fiatolists
asciilifeform: and it happened quickly enough to be visible to naked eye
asciilifeform: spain lost its colonies, and autoimmunologically devoured itself, was the thesis.
asciilifeform: the mother of all 'unhappenings', it has been known to anyone who gives half a shit, with all the proof you could possibly ask for from a mafia op where 'talkative' folks with hard proof get plugged immediately -- and still 'never happened.'
asciilifeform: (and no, the figurehead officials, with their aol email accts, etc., don't have to be 'in' on it, wtf)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cia & co. (i.e. ACTUAL usg) dealing dope, is old ooooold noose
asciilifeform: !~later tell adlai that page won't update until your crate ships
asciilifeform: (re: the 'gigantic barrel' flight sims: there is actually an arcade of these at the american national airplane museum in washington, it's fiddybux for 5min. and worth every penny)
asciilifeform: falls apart if you so much as say unkind word to it...
asciilifeform: so the hilarious bit, thrustmaster made a 're-edition', for something like 500 usd, that externally looked great (made of iron, etc) but inside -- 100% chinese plastic rubbish
asciilifeform: there's an outfit called 'thrustmaster', well-known name in game controllers, that made a princely joystick in 1990s, 'f-22'. it was used in 'adult' simulators, the kind where one studies for exams, where you literally can hang upside down in gigantic barrel, etc. and guess what, there is no way to make it work with win7+ short of replacing entire internal guts.
asciilifeform: 'your computer is dead, it was once so alive, do you regret installing windows 95!!'
asciilifeform: eh it was going strong with win95 already
asciilifeform: the 2000s were almost ~defined~, microshitwise, by a massive 'purge' where folx were forced to retire peripherals (and, for that matter, whole comps) in PERFECT mechanical condition, to run new winblows
asciilifeform: and, notably, the converter boxes don't work for high-end sticks
asciilifeform: other interesting tidbit about flying-sticks, apparently logitech et al conspired with microshit to have analogue 'gameport' support CUT from win7+. so that folx would be forced to buy chinese usb shitsticks.
asciilifeform: looks almost like something from a plumber's junk pile.
asciilifeform: they were hydraulic, like a post-70s auto
asciilifeform: i would, but it'd need electric gimballs
asciilifeform: oh in re: 'golden 1990s': i recently contemplated making a game-playing box to 'unwind' with, and looked into where to get a decent flying-joystick. and apparently the best ones were made in 1990s, and today sought after, and rare...☟︎
asciilifeform: my deep suspicion here is that there are actually at least ~two~ sets of www; one with chickens, and one without; and if you are doing something that is largely confined to the latter, you can almost pretend that the year is at worst 2001, and search - works, and forums - exist, etc.
asciilifeform: (win9x+ had spaces but iirc that's all)
asciilifeform: natural habitat of winblows proggies had no such things.
asciilifeform: and, for instance, also had to outwit the 'ai' in the thing to keep it from 'recognizing state machine' and ADDING GATES wtfomfgh
asciilifeform: but when xilinx's synth tool stubbornly refused to map the collective reset in FUCKGOATS to the global reset pin, i found the answer with, yes, a few hours of google.
asciilifeform: i can see that it does not work so well when there are chickens in the mix.
asciilifeform: what could be hoped for when searching for wine error msg ? best you can ask for is to learn what aspect of weird undocumented winblowsism was never implemented in wine
asciilifeform: but those of us who do -- are its prisoners.
asciilifeform: it is very easy to piss on google when you don't have to do anything technical with own hands.☟︎
asciilifeform: the necessary detail is NOT found in my dead tree collection, nor in meatwot, nor anywhere else i could conceivably get to other than via bad old heathen search.
asciilifeform: with that in mind, neither 'rotor', nor fuckgoats, nor phuctor, would exist if asciilifeform had not been able to do ~10,000 google searches.
asciilifeform: 'if you can, you must' (tm) (r) ( mircea_popescu )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1582034 << btw when i search for error messages, i generally find'em. granted this is 'moral hazard' and arguably makes for a substantially more turdalicious software ecosystem than if folks were 'shit out of luck' when seeing EGGOGs. but there it is.☝︎
asciilifeform: e.g., something claiming to be http://ahrefs.com/robot, but not obeying the 'off switch' specified there; and jumping ip ranges 10+ times if banned (i can no longer be arsed)
asciilifeform: bunch of other crawlers i've never heard of, also:
