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mod6: <+mircea_popescu> make a 4kb key and use it rather than the strange md5 lists or what's that. << RSA too.
asciilifeform: Jacmet: if you open a nonprofit org, esp. in usa, you will be surrounding yourself with, and eventually giving control over various aspects of the project, to people who do not work in good faith.
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mircea_popescu: pick a strong leader in the form of a person, build your thing atop pgp sigs and forget the nonsense fiat.
mircea_popescu: that's a horrible idea if the wya such things work out in practice is any guide.
Jacmet: mircea_popescu: we're currently setting up a non profit organization around buildroot
mircea_popescu: so get that sane key made, reg it and sign an address, i'll send you a coin.
asciilifeform: consider this a report.
asciilifeform: Jacmet: as you probably know, buildroot is a coveted boobytrap target for 1,001 miscreants of various stripes.
mircea_popescu: make a 4kb key and use it rather than the strange md5 lists or what's that.
mircea_popescu: that would be the one problem - the thing is a very valuable security asset, should be better protected.
mircea_popescu: so get in teh wot, you have a lot of love here.
asciilifeform: been working splendidly for nearly a year.
assbot: 251 results for 'buildroot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=buildroot
Jacmet: mircea_popescu: got a mail that you guys were doing something with Buildroot and if I could join?
mircea_popescu: but lacking a better complexity class...
mircea_popescu: if a name is not produced we'll just call it alf-tc
asciilifeform: nah more like 'i need a bipedal mammal'
mircea_popescu: this is like saying "i want a whaleoctopusdeerkitten" because you dunno how to say girlfriend
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lacking a rigorously narrower complexity class, i am stuck with tc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now stop calling it "tc" and confusing people. concept needs a new name.
asciilifeform: the language is gargantuan, just enough parser to ~compile~ is likely to take you a decade to write.
asciilifeform: jurov: you are welcome to try parsing cpp, it would be a pretty useful proggy incidentally
jurov: actually, that's logical conclusion of what you want. instead of "teh stupid +++ --- stuff" make c++ parser, apply a transform and generate code
asciilifeform: a pig is eating its own shit.
asciilifeform: if only it were so simple. do you notice what most programming types do when they run into a forest ?
mircea_popescu: he's bound to run into a shitton of resistance of the medium in short order with that thing.
mircea_popescu: which is why one'd expect a lot more alma matering of stuff like polarbeard's.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 15:48:49; mircea_popescu: listen, if you say "diff should parse scheme" instead of "diff should be turing complete" people'd follow a lot easier.
mircea_popescu: ok, you know, say that! "i want a homoiconic thing with lambda", rather than "tc"
phf: i think the idea is to have a slightly more constrained awk. patchmachine takes string, manipulates it, returns new string
mircea_popescu: in that it's "turing complete in a purely theoretical sense and with none of the practical overhead a practical implementation would imply except in those cases where it is clearly and truly needed".
asciilifeform: all i ask for is that vtron be able to specify arbitrary transformations, e.g., 'replace every letter a with b', rather than the +++/--- imbecility.
mircea_popescu: but a very... haskellite, even, theoretical notion.
asciilifeform: there is a demo, which was supplied with the original patch, that gets block count, and another knob that quits.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with treating your baby as a chunk of bedrock, you know.
mircea_popescu: eh it doesn't pull anything. think about it : it is a modest, quiet hope, specifically that shiva/b-a/trb is actually heavy enough that it may pull him.
asciilifeform: while being nominally a shiva patch.
mircea_popescu: god help the man that takes a nap during republican times.
asciilifeform: phf: only the first time. it then turns into a steel beam you can use to build proper towers.
ben_vulpes: phf: it's a hobby
ben_vulpes: i figured this for more of a "half bottle of wine in a girl's butt" report. entertainment, not science.
mod6: and this is a gentoo VM? or ubuntu?
phf: i have it running in a frowned upon state. cmake, llvm, clang
ben_vulpes: and in other nyooz of the weird and strange saga of ben_vulpes endeavoring to set up a reference implementation on his heathen macintosh, buildroot fails to compile in linux virtual machines of all sorts of flavors
mod6: just only was in a hurry to get back into sync.
mod6: im making a `typescript' of the output as well. will post later when its complete.
asciilifeform: phf: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412300 << as stated in the comments, i regard this as a serious loose end that must be tied before anyone can even contemplate using a shivatronic trb in the battlefield ☝︎
mod6: the link is above if anyone wants to give it a try.
mod6: well, someday maybe. still a dog with fleas.
mod6: then that makes a bit more sense.
mod6: but, say, normal use; you log in, you get a shell, you type `ls` and that would just work as expected right?
mod6: im simply curious here, never seen a pwd fail before.
mod6: jurov: fwiw, i do a huge % of testing on a gentoo env with perl 5.20...
mod6: it'd be like doing the same thing in a bash script: PWD=`pwd`; echo $PWD;
mod6: perl doesn't care about what subprocesses a unix command may or may not use tho.
mod6: fork() shoudn't even be a consideration here... im confused.
mod6: pwd is used iirc in v.pl, but only in the contex of it being a shell out - your environment should execute this and return the result to a scalar.
mod6: take a look, i've removed 3 lines: 1. in the comment section where it lists PK's key fingerprint at the top 2. the curl that pulls the sign file for buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign 3. the gpg command that verifies buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign
mod6: so as far as the build-bitcoind-V99995.sh is concerned. let's just check that hash and call it a day then.
asciilifeform: do we have a confirmed collision here ?!
mod6: what we really aught to do is write to that guy, get him to join the wot with a 4096 bit RSA key, and have him resign all of the bundles.
mod6: im gonna take a look at that instead.
phf: yeah, korean places are not bad, but i know only of one that caters specifically to koreans (i.e. good heat), a lot of them are western oriented so massage and facials and such
phf: there's literally 4 places in the entire virgnia-connecticut stretch. maybe there's something up in Massachusetts. there's "east european" places ran by russians but with a lot of turks, etc. and then there's korean baths. but koreans frown on cold plunges, so they would usually have a tepid shower/pool
phf: i hnfi. these people do "spas", but the sauna part is typically a joke
phf: kakobrekla: i went camping in the Appalachian last weekend, -20c w/ winds, but it was awesome. i did just enough trash talking about russian blood to come down with a flu by thursday...
mod6: anyway, i guess i don't mind, i can add a part where we check the SHA1 & MD5 of the buildroot artifact and then continue to verify that .sign file.
kakobrekla had a blast snowboarding the prime slopes of Dolomites region of Alps
danielpbarron: oh mod6, with a fresh .bitcoin/ directory, your new thing seems to work fine
asciilifeform: gotta do a few things to the mains wiring, i (and zoolag) will be down for 30 min. to an hour.
asciilifeform: instruct new users that they must operate on a sane fs.
phf: i recall riastradh making an srfi proposal for a minimum subset of filesystem operations. could just implement it for tinyscheme
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 16:07:32; mircea_popescu: there's been this weirdo trend of (mostly anglo) girls getting worried about their labia minora being "wrong", mostly on account of thgere being a LOT of natural variation on that score, and anglo chicks being all weird and insecure and sexually inexperienced. plus of course the crazed marketing society, that feeds into all of the above.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 15:39:46; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411879 << imho this will have to be a thing that is solved in one Final Solution shot, with turing-complete diff. we can NOT have 1,001 incompatible hacked gnudiff variants floating around in attempted use, it is chaos and death by ants.
polarbeard: it works well, but still simple hooks because only a single callback may be registered per hook, not sure yet if there will be need for callback management
polarbeard: yes, I'm not surprised that you have a different point of view, and I'm even pleased I think
asciilifeform: (for n00bs or readers who have not been keeping up, 'shiva' is a highly experimental affair and not to be considered part of mainline trb!)
asciilifeform: but yes, in the long run it is intended as a prosthesis to take over where the brain damage of the original is incurable.
polarbeard: that's pointless and a waste of time
polarbeard: this is not a vpatch, don't you see that?
polarbeard: that was a bug fix
polarbeard: so I've been playing a bit with shiva, I'm developing a simple hook mechanism, here's a preview https://gist.github.com/polarbeard/f5c5b02a2ce7c1a69c77
mircea_popescu: there's been this weirdo trend of (mostly anglo) girls getting worried about their labia minora being "wrong", mostly on account of thgere being a LOT of natural variation on that score, and anglo chicks being all weird and insecure and sexually inexperienced. plus of course the crazed marketing society, that feeds into all of the above. ☟︎
asciilifeform: complete solution made from ~orthogonal pieces~ is the magic sword which weighs as a feather.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is a misconception, in this case. weigh my tinyscheme vs gnudiff!
asciilifeform: (chicken was what i nowadays call a 'pedigree bridge')
asciilifeform: what a fuckingmisery
mircea_popescu: "The simplest way to generate a patch is to use ‘diff -Naur’ (see Tips for Patch Producers), but you might be able to reduce the size of the patch by renaming or removing some files before making the patch. If the older version of the package contains any files that the newer version does not, or if any files have been renamed between the two versions, make a list of rm and mv commands for the user to execute in th
asciilifeform: 'v' as we have it now, or at least as it appeared in my initial publication, was a very hasty and premature, wartime wunderwaffen thing
mircea_popescu: listen, if you say "diff should parse scheme" instead of "diff should be turing complete" people'd follow a lot easier. ☟︎
asciilifeform: no kernel, just a little scheme interpreter.
mircea_popescu: you can't put a kernel in every single thing including the diff utility!
asciilifeform: we have this atrocity because gnudiff is incapable of renaming a directory without MORONICALLY --- -ing EVERY FUCKING LINE of every file and +++ -ing it in again
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is a continuation of a thread almost as old as 'v' - consider the tinyscheme-genesis patch, shiva, and the 'pedigree bridge'
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 06:02:08; punkman: asciilifeform: (you will have to rename the dir manually, because DIFF IS RETARDED) << I'll do a punkdiff release this week
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411879 << imho this will have to be a thing that is solved in one Final Solution shot, with turing-complete diff. we can NOT have 1,001 incompatible hacked gnudiff variants floating around in attempted use, it is chaos and death by ants. ☝︎☟︎
mats: i don't see why there would be a handicap now
adlai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo /me accidentally a word http://dpaste.com/3WX0P03.txt ☟︎