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asciilifeform: who has heard of 'bleue' ? can pronounce without gagging?
asciilifeform: (or was it a 'b')
asciilifeform: pay with jars of piss ?
asciilifeform: what is a 'weemoney' ?
asciilifeform: or the dozen hieroglyphic crapolades.
asciilifeform: or 'pay-easy'
asciilifeform: dafuq is, e.g., 'giropay'
asciilifeform read it several times, thinking 'probably missed it...', and.
asciilifeform: i think that is the longest list of spampaypals-and-demonstratively-not-bitcoin i've seen since 2009.
asciilifeform: davout: there can be >1. in fact, if we're ever down to 1, it is trouble.
asciilifeform: (both, iirc, circa '04 or so)
asciilifeform: if anyone needs.
asciilifeform: i have 2 dec alphas that are available to my l1 for cost of postage.
asciilifeform: (pretty sure i ~still~ have 1 or 2...)
asciilifeform: i will send potatoes! and old microchannel NICs!!111
asciilifeform: but perhaps -- worth it
asciilifeform: of course this all comes with a very real risk of turning into theo de raadt and moving into a cave, muttering, wearing hair shirts, sleeping in coffin
asciilifeform: i saw an 'origin' sold once, for price of scrap, and it worked
asciilifeform: pick up some old sgi iron, if doing this, it has even better bang/buck ratio
asciilifeform: neato
asciilifeform: (crapple dropped all support)
asciilifeform: boxes that cost 3-4k usd new, in mid 2000s, going for pennies
asciilifeform: for a while, local uni surplus here was selling g5 monsters (big iron things) by the pound
asciilifeform: neato
asciilifeform: aaah
asciilifeform: or is this a vintage box
asciilifeform: trinque: if it isn't megaseekrit, where'dya get a hold of a ppc ?
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: but somebody who isn't walking with years of radiation damage from reversing x86 for money.
asciilifeform: well it doesn't have to be trinque .
asciilifeform: a younger d00d like, e.g., trinque , might get more result.
asciilifeform: one problem with asciilifeform in particular is that his patience with x86 crapola has become very short
asciilifeform: it is in, yes, 16bit asm.
asciilifeform: (and when?!)
asciilifeform: now must reverse it. will take a while, and only can even begin when hands again are free to do this
asciilifeform: it was the closest thing to what i want.
asciilifeform: believe or not, for a card made in 2011.
asciilifeform: for netware.
asciilifeform: i actually got hold of msdos driver
asciilifeform: particular, yes, to the card.
asciilifeform: it'd be a few 100 lines of asm
asciilifeform: rubbish.
asciilifeform: megatonne of 'idiomatic c'
asciilifeform: has whole motherfucking os.
asciilifeform: yes, the pxe boot rom.
asciilifeform: it ALSO DOES
asciilifeform: i studied the one in coreboot
asciilifeform: (e.g., the one in linux. or bsd. or mac.)
asciilifeform: so they are of 0 interest to me.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the problem is that 'normal people' drivers rely on there being a working pci bus, interrupt controller, etc. stack in the os, rather than programmed-bare-io
asciilifeform: and i bought a dozen cards of various vintage.
asciilifeform: btw i dug out, long ago, a crackpot implementation in one 'baremetal os' (actual title) of supposedly-it. it dun work on any actual iron i was able to buy.
asciilifeform digs for d00d's mailbox.
asciilifeform: how am i to ask him, lol, he disappeared.
asciilifeform: and i'm pretty sure it came up when the finn was here. he vanished.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most folks run for the hills when i say 'yes in asm, and no you don't get to use any existing code'
asciilifeform: with 0 result.
asciilifeform: i wasted... dun even care to say how long. on this chore.
asciilifeform: btw if anyone can come up with a WORKING 'crab' (realtek) nic driver in pure long mode asm, we can have, e.g., scheme on iron, and usefully so, in a couplea weeks. ☟︎
asciilifeform: not same as hdd fw omfg
asciilifeform: if it must -- it will.
asciilifeform: the one caveat that i can think of is that it may very well turn out to be unusably slow (as in, >10min block verify), on anything but reiser. (if there even.)
asciilifeform: davout: pluggable ~without bitcoin having to know about it~ is the key.
asciilifeform: for entirely different, and unplanned, things.
asciilifeform: so that different proggies can use same disk turds.
asciilifeform: how to arrange bytes on hdd, is why we even tolerate the misery of having an os, to begin with.
asciilifeform: it does not belong in there.
asciilifeform: having the db hardlinked in bitcoin is lunacy
asciilifeform: by choosing a different fs to plant the thing on
asciilifeform: davout: in point of fact you can decide on fs also
asciilifeform: simplest example that ~everyone is personally familiar with.
asciilifeform: well yes.
asciilifeform: the algo where you 'wallet' by keeping privkey AND index-of-last-block-where-this-addr-was-input-or-output are kept around, works until , in 'typical human' fashion, [l]user asks for 'fried ice', and wants MOAR, e.g., 'oooh i found a privkey in my underpants drawer, how much is it worth' or 'i want to keep priv on 2+ boxes' or, or.
asciilifeform: btw, p=?=np esoterica aside, 'never say never' in re algorithmic complexities. it is possible to make a number-theoretic 'blockchain' where you check for unspentness by euclid's gcd, for instance. many things are theoretically possible. but this thread afaik is about traditional bitcoin.
asciilifeform: i meant - ~algorithmically~ how.
asciilifeform: and answer cannot be 'sql command'
asciilifeform: trinque: if you write how to do this, i give you my word that i will read .
asciilifeform: always will.
asciilifeform: a full, canonical 'how much is this addr worth' requires O(N) chain walk.
asciilifeform: trinque: it remains O(N), and yes, you can reduce your N, but you traded away correctness for speed.
asciilifeform: how could it not be
asciilifeform: think for a minute
asciilifeform: trinque: it's still O(N)
asciilifeform: of course you can't do it!
asciilifeform: trinque: this is a physical impossibility
asciilifeform: davout: not dedicated. and arguably if you're using an os 1000 yrs from now that doesn't have exact equivalents of these tools, you have serious problems
asciilifeform: trinque: i promise not to argue until you say exactly what needs doing that cannot be done with stock fs
asciilifeform: (does anyone understand why i put, e.g., 'v', together, the way i did? or the lamportron?)
asciilifeform: instead of relying on gigantic binary turd and dedicated toolset.
asciilifeform: the mega-win from 'use files on disk, in directories' is that i can explore the index with sed, grep, etc.
asciilifeform: trinque: what can, e.g., reiserfs, not do, that you need done to your tx index ?
asciilifeform: any of'em. even ext3.
asciilifeform: your disk fs !
asciilifeform: :
asciilifeform: and guess where THIS IS ALREADY IMPLEMENTED
asciilifeform: trinque: it is not clear that any feature set aside from 'get anything by anything-else in O(NlogN)' is necessary or justified.
asciilifeform: davout: about, yes, piloting. with, yes, how pilots die.
asciilifeform: davout: 'Вам - взлет!' (Анатолий Маркович Маркуша.) it's a childrenz' b00k
asciilifeform: but the 'boy' comment suggests that it is finite.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have nfi what the dimensional tolerance is , in practice.