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ben_vulpes: phf: also, if you'd care to share your llvm/clang compilator i'd love to take a look
phf: ben_vulpes: yeah, i fixed more things since i last chimed in, but now end range is not being covered on safari
jurov pats mod6 on the shoulder... no problem, i had to redo monthly treasury report once or twice, too
mod6: i just tried to avoid extra clutter in there.
mod6: oh, it does, sometimes if it's been referenced before in the document, i don't re-reference it.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, doesn't have to, just asking.
ben_vulpes: i even pointed that one out to you, but we're mad busy
mod6: i don't follow.
mod6: oh hey, did i screw that up?
mircea_popescu: actually from what i hear, that's the voice of privilege.
ben_vulpes: how do you think i'd rather spend my dollars, on 'macbook pros' or bitcoins and linux workstations?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you think i don't know this?
phf: i got tricked into hacking web
mod6: sometimes when i'm quoteing someone, as opposed to a thing, i'll use `` '' instead.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> in that it's possible to malleate in either direction. ease i suppose doesn't figure into the question. << Someone malleating to high-s is why power derps started malleating to low-s
mircea_popescu: ``heathen command'' << am i the only one seeing a weird set of unmatching quotes here ?
ben_vulpes: i'm sure that i misunderstand.
ben_vulpes: sure, i'm mostly confirming my own recollection.
mircea_popescu: i originally thought so but research in here shows that no, it's never checked. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: great, i follow.
ben_vulpes: i create a transaction with a low s value. someone listening to broadcast transactions can rewrite my tx to have a high s value.
ben_vulpes: in that it's possible to malleate in either direction. ease i suppose doesn't figure into the question.
ben_vulpes: anyways, mod6 you gotta upgrade v.pl to press *all* reachable leaves. that's the problem i'm running into with asciilifeform's recent shiva rebake ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391802 << thinking about it i think you';re right actually. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391794 << yeah but i meant, before it goes in, not after. after yes it does, and it's very nice. ☝︎
jurov: i'm willing to bet than when there will be turdatron www upload form, asciilifeform will use the most broken browser in existence to try to upload the files
ben_vulpes: aha i begin to see the wisdom of pressing all reachable leaves now
trinque: felipelalli: I thought you were talking about assbot
kakobrekla: felipelalli ask trinque, i dont run deedbot-
ascii_rear: i have a nongmail box but it is rapidly drowning under deluge
ascii_rear: i can't use mp's filter algo
assbot: Egyptian Lover - I Need A Freak - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QR2LiJ )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: if i understand the shiva rebake correctly, applying tinyscheme_genesis_vpatch, then tinyscheme_crud_snip, then tinyscheme_repl_fix_fixed bangs the tree into the correct shape?
felipelalli: I have uploaded to MIT.
adlai: what is expired? i was able to load it without any error about this
felipelalli: jurov, and how can I workaround this? Or this is out of my control? :)
mod6: asciilifeform: <+mod6> so... i've integrated asciilifeform's fix into a new patch that will replace the old one: http://dpaste.com/2KCXN8A.txt << <+mod6> ahh, and then there is this now -- when compiling with alf's fix incorporated: <+mod6> http://dpaste.com/1AVK5ZP.txt << any thoughts on how to fix0r this?
jurov: ah i see. but you send the clearsigned part as Content-Type: text/plain
punkman: pub@extemporized.com , I manually set octet-stream for all my attachments, but it's possible the crappy email-sender I use overrode it for the email body
punkman: everything I've sent has been octet-stream, I think
mod6: well, i missed a few, need to clean those up :P
ben_vulpes: that's what i thought
mod6: yup yup, i put a 0x0a in there just to preseve 80 cols. but perl deoesn't care nor does it add a '\n' to the command string
mod6: then in the next line i do this:
mod6: ok so whats going on there is that to preserve 80 cols, i create a command spanning two lines
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 17:53:34; phf: mircea_popescu: hey trinque jurov phf : would it be possible to take that very nice graph phf showed, turn it into a proper svg and have the nodes clickable ? << like http://104.131.72.249/patches/? (is in no way bulletproof, so i expect it to be down by the time i come back from breakfast)
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391245 << lines 64 and 65 of v.pl. perhaps i can't read perl? ☝︎
mod6: i can't even take the time to jump down that rabbit hole right now.
mod6: like i said, lets just hold off on that.
mod6: i kinda have to turn a deaf ear to a lot of this stuff until the new month starts, and even then, i gotta keep my eye on the prize - dispite any other problems on the periphery.
ben_vulpes: so if i press those individually, in order, they work. but if i press the last patch, i believe that it fails to find its antecedents.
mod6: just had to stick his stuff into patches and .seals. but in all honesty, im not even sure if the patches & seals I'm using are what is indended at this point.
mod6: i was able to press all of that out just fine.
mod6: i might need a reminder. i did go through a bunch of your comments though.
ben_vulpes: did you get a chance to repro the issue i ran into with asciilifeform's shiva patches?
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 15:52:04; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390875 << i'd be surprised if you actually can ever find this.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391110 << i did, not saying that it's not lying through its teeth though: http://imgur.com/Y1tGvZC ☝︎
ben_vulpes: how many rickety fucking buckets of others' design must a man endure before he gets the fuck out and walks on his own feet is the question i'm endeavoring to resolve for myself
phf: so i added inline patch display to my patch display displayer instead http://104.131.72.249/patches/mod6_fix_dumpblock_params
mod6: I'm going to build with this and live test it before I submit to the mailing list.
mod6: so... i've integrated asciilifeform's fix into a new patch that will replace the old one: http://dpaste.com/2KCXN8A.txt
mircea_popescu: i think maybe you've formed a partial idea of what's being discussed through the age old process of having read a partial set of what's been said.
adlai: i don't think it's a good idea and i'm trying to dispel the notion for others who may. i'm a little surprised at http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391599 and probably misunderstood alf. ☝︎
adlai: mircea_popescu: in these early days, when Bitcoin does not yet fully Exist, it seems as though everything is an option. the full shiva vision, as i understand it from recent logs, opens the door to doing exactly that, if some energetic idiot decides it's a good idea
asciilifeform: fortunately for mircea_popescu , now i go and pet pet and wander around.
adlai: again, not trying to perscribe what's right; obviously asciilifeform understands what he's trying to do infinitely better than i can; but... i think the line is somewhere between embedding an interpreter for a subset of r5rs, and embedding a ~compiler~
mircea_popescu: this log is moving so fast i'm actually getting contiguity issues trying to follow.
asciilifeform: also i laugh when folks take the spew of academitard 'compiler research' claptrap and try to actually use
asciilifeform: adlai: ergo why i did not pick cl
asciilifeform: i can't speak for others, but 'i come to bury ' the garbage, not to praise it.'
phf: adlai: i don't see the difference. both require you to annotate your classes/method/data somehow. clasp requires less annotation with larger impact then tinyscheme, e.g. it knows about c++ and can do some advanced ffi-ing
asciilifeform: (i don't work at '10,000 dogs' shops, as a matter of principle)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm the 'whale' that moves the 10 tonnes, there.
mircea_popescu: well so then. i don't want 10x as many people that can jump 1m. i want people who can jump 10m now.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 19:29:40; mircea_popescu: and i fear nobody does nor could anyone have such resources.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391553 << hilariously, this is part of what i do for a living now. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and i fear nobody does nor could anyone have such resources. ☟︎
phf: adlai: clasp is a good fit for tendriling trb, if i had more time, i'd use it in a similar way to shiva. but then i'm already building trb on llvm/clang, etc. it is anti-ba though because of pedigree and ownership problem. can use it, if you have resources to read through 5 or so 100k loc projects
asciilifeform: adlai: and here i picked a lisp with 0 slime support
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 19:07:51; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390963 << look into clasp then, i'd just started digging into it when asciilifeform released shiva
asciilifeform: (the 'llvm is satanic and must die' thing is not as clear-cut as i would like, it is actually MORE readable and hackable than gcc. but i'm allergic, i confess.)
ben_vulpes: adlai: i don't know shit, frere, i just drag in dead birds for the adults to dispose of.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391028 << i wonder what 'not making the cut' looks like these days. not willing to burn ones youth on the pyre of tenure-track whoring? ☝︎
phf: asciilifeform: original conception requires "sufficiently smart patch" then, unless i'm missing something
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i believe clasp is a standards-compliant commonlisp
ben_vulpes: because i want to press "shiva" into a tree that doesn't have, say, malleus_mikehearnificarum
asciilifeform: and why i thought this to be sufficient ?
asciilifeform: i came back to console because i realized that mircea_popescu was making a VITAL point that is in danger of being glossed over
ben_vulpes: it nominally offers a lot over standard cl cffi, but i have not verified that myself.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390963 << look into clasp then, i'd just started digging into it when asciilifeform released shiva ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: (this approach probably makes the ancient "group is the enemy of intelligent life" / "only threat to wot model is agreement" etc painfully obvious - if a, c and d are a compact i'll just note them epsilon and pretend it's one thing)
mircea_popescu: whereas by building D i am in the situation where i know it's enough for d to lie.
mircea_popescu: so by building B in the example i am in the situation where i know a and c and d must ALL lie.
mircea_popescu: question 2 is : who are all the people on whose word i am implicitly depending by building this ?
mircea_popescu: basically i seek to answer two questions, from a management point of view.
phf: mircea_popescu: is that a list of names that correspond to .wot? i.e. each patch has (asciilifeform, mod6, etc.) and then there's a set of all wots for current press?
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 18:34:13; mod6: and next time, let's do this sort of testing before i ship
asciilifeform: but right now i'ma go to meatspace and won't be back until nightfall.
asciilifeform: anyway if somebody insists on tamping versionstring and versionstring-fix into one path, i will read and sign it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd say it's a degree question. if a hole found close to the surface, supuration is advised. if not, let blood carry the germs out. just like the body treats infection.